Jesse and Misha Burnett talk about The Handle by Richard Stark
Talked about on today’s show:
book number 8 in the series, he has fun with the titles, The Green Eagle Score, a bunch of scores in a row, what the word “the handle” meant, Run Lethal, feels a little bit like The Mourner, they’re all the same, they’re different, outside the bounds of the U.S., the setup is different, calling back to Karns from The Outfit, the child molester, moving parts, Nazi war criminal, the actual war crimes, dropped threads on purpose, what comes of Yancy?, he’s a fun character, never see him again, the way real life works, Grofield shot five times in Mexico City hotel, 3 Grofield books, dropped threads, a 1 day delay, not on the ball, time to go over this book again, Parker’s problem with him is he doesn’t have a tan, he raped an 11 year old girl, Salsa is a fun character, the gun dealer, they’re always more of the same, the morality is not social morality, efficiency morality, Parker is essentially, everyone else is suffering from main character syndrome, Parker is the stranger, Poul Anderson?, a Bezerker story, Fred Saberhagen, The Adventure Of The Metal Murderer, is Sherlock Holmes, Sherlock Holmes Through Time And Space, he’s got a little bit of a personality, Data from Star Trek, he’s not a normal human being, Springfield, Missouri, a 4 hour drive, one of the Dortmunder novels, Bad News, the differences between Parker and Dortmunder, hyperfocus thing, really Westlake, Crystal is trying to make a pass at him, doing the job, parallel evolution, Kelp, they fulfill the same function, annoying but useful, ground the other, when the principals are lost in thought, just as autistic, the insight, Westlake with a new assignment, rewrote the ending, needs to be a series, the worst Parker book, clunkers near the end, the character is not there yet, revenge is absent from every subsequent book, what we love about Parker, he is so efficient, makes Westlake’s character work, another dropped thread, far more intelligent, bimballina, standard good writing, she wants to take pictures of Salsa unclad, what do I care?, about to have sex with Crystal, telephone girl, great book, so good, The Green Eagle Score, sure why not?, in the etext, Michael Kramer, dropbox, Stephen R. Thorne, if this cassette stops working, almost robotic, they’re fancy, so cool, Westlake can’t help himself, the red Thunderbird, broken taillight, the heat was bright, heavy, oppressive, all the comforts of home, Gulf freeway, top 40, no wait for warmup, so full of gimmicks, tinted glass, joyknob, a stuffed toy tiger, Houston, each thinking his own thoughts, a seedy bar, Tropical Palm Lounge, little tables, shiny black formica tops, amber tinted mirrors, DW in large letters, so in the book, he’s so funny, it is funny, that thing in Dancing Aztecs, always drives Fury III, a car called Kill, this is the series, Stark fans, really hardboiled, popular with hardened criminals in prison, he has to have fun, we’re gonna look at the guns, the comic relief for the Hamlet of Stark, any character in a Westlake story could be the main character, Grofield opened the door to Parker’s knock, a man to be our Charon, he has no knowledge of popular culture, but Westlake is Grofield, he loves all the literary references that he’s throwing down, a meeting with Gold Medal, two more this year?, setting up the assignment to get it done, it is absolutely a recipe, styles of chunks, new characters, Handy McKay, that idea, we set up these pins, bringing in the cops, the FBI, the scene with Parker there, assessing their situation, disarms the other guy, a butcher’s knife, he knows about coffee, he’s never read a paperback, recreation, on top of a hot sandy bitch named Michelle, he’s not a connoisseur of anything except getting the job done, gets Grofield involved, the money doesn’t matter, writing for money, that’s his living, he loves the exercise of writing great stories, he made a break with science fiction because it didn’t pay, The Curious Facts Preceding My Execution, The Spy In The Elevator, Anarchaos, he loves science fiction, Lawrence Block, Fredric Brown, didn’t go down that path,wrote good science fiction and fun fantasy, paperbacks and hardcovers, crime was what he could sell after the sex market, a writer who enjoys writing and not just having written, one of the best books about writing, out of print, Paul Westlake, running the website, it wasn’t just him in the estate, they all have to agree or have semi-interest, movies, a new Parker movie, in the trailer for the latest Parker movie it mentions this book, a casino off of the coast of Texas, Grofield is black, Parker’s not right, nobody is Parker, Brent Spiner to play Parker, Jason Stathem came closest, none of them are Parker, [The Outfit], Prime Cut (1972), Lee Marvin, a discussion with someone on the internet, always a mistake, on twitter, nobody’s gonna read, you can just do ai images, you can just see it, in an audio visual medium, epic poetry was the main mode for most of human history, go into the cave, paint an animal or two, mostly computer games that are the main media now, books were huge, plays were pretty big for a while, appreciate the medium what it can do, The Grifters, what Jim Thompson was laying down, fuckn hardboiled, first person narration, small town sheriff, of course I had to destroy him, absolute psychopath, two face, coming from a real abusive place, one about a girl, childhood sexual abuse, she’s got this baggage, a family of abusive psychopaths, Westlakes gets it, translates that to film, The Stepfather (1987), a game and tv show, reading the Star Wars novelization, The Predator (1987) novelization, Alan Dean Foster, music, back to Grofield, just as dangerously messed up as Parker is, how he visualizes things, in terms of a movie, a different symptomology, a narcissist sociopath, a show with Mr. Pulpcovers (Alex), Two Much, 3 movies, a Tamil version, how evil the main character is, we love him, justifying the murders he’s doing, lappin it up, part of Westlake’s genius, Kelp for example, the Kelp/Grofield connection, likeable, steal some money from an institution, puts the salt in the beer, oh my god i’m devastated, too much trauma, the same kind of stuff, there’s no murders, funny situations, hardboiled murderers, as a suggestion, Enough, one of them is a great movie, A Slight Case Of Murder, so good, William H. Macy playing the movie reviewer, James Cromwell, first person narration to the camera, I’m safe, breaking the fourth wall stuff, every chapter is a different detective story trope, A Travesty, Ordo [“Orrie”], a sailor, he finds out about it, a spread of her in Playboy, her biography mentions her marriage to him, the French get him, and Poe and Lovecraft, the amateur detective, the red herring, the book was published 60 years ago, framed for a murder that he actually did, another really good one, we should talk about the actual book we were supposed to read, Cockaigne, an ongoing theme, his obsession with insurance, institutions are always and all corrupt, the more corrupt it is, an “outfit”, the “organization”, even that is full of incompetents, her dysfunction, a little bit neurotic, babbling, has to take her hand, make her shut up, while Yancy went off to get the glasses, proud of himself, a hand drawn map, shaped somewhat like a rubber life-raft, medieval trouble, rows of waves, a complex arrow and letter N, sometimes it ran for the sake of running, like a man tromping an automobile accelerator, a souvenir, the pride still in his voice, where’s the frame, Westlake can’t help himself, our man kind of got enthusiastic, what’s the scale of this map, the other map, graph paper, this one simple bear and neat, there’s so much in it, only 4 hours long, it feels complete and it is complete, there’s no island in the Gulf there, a little bit like the Most Dangerous Game, count Zaroff, General Zaroff, after Red and White Russian war in 1919, Sanger, blood-dripper, hunters, big game hunters, it’s all about that fun setup, the FBI wants him for some reason, he runs the island, same reason that Karns wants him, goodie points, InterPol, Westlake’s pretty cynical, on a Navy ship, Congress was annoyed, this island belonged to, the Sea-Bees, a very cynical eye, just laughs at it, like that of General Zaroff’s island, they’re invading it, a mini-bay of pigs, a guaranteed heist, the money on hand, a sobriquet, Charles Willis, dates, professional heister at it for 20 years, they don’t have his face, he had all that work done, to get away from the Outfit, meta matters, what Westlake has to do to make the series go on, loose threads, Parker and Grofield, slowly bleeding to death, follow the Mexicans, Parker shows the gun, one sentence, he sees the handle of the suitcase, in casinos the amount of money that’s on hand, The Jugger, so interested in writing the book, Firebreak, Breakout, one leads on to the next, curved plastic black alien, the suitcase, Ronin (1998), a CIA guy, a McGuffin, the same suitcase, Pulp Fiction (1994), new flooring in his apartment, take his wife to Florida, this robot that does 2 or 3 jobs a year, it’s almost like Westlake’s commenting, when somebody betrays him, the code, his programming code, not some morality everybody’s subscribed to, Conan’s character, that’s different, different kind of guys, Reacher and the book series Reacher, always wandering around getting into adventures, Conan’s not a patriot, he never goes there, much more like a robot programmed to do heists, somebody else’s scam, make the scam work, at last something for me to do, it’s not just the money, it’s also the art, never got married to May, interests other than heists, cooking and dresses, in relistening to the book again, every Westlake novel starts really well, on a boat, Parker was below deck, his motel room, stuck on a boat with a bunch of idiots, waiting for us to get there, voices and hands of New York or Chicago hoods, puts on the cap, the blue jacket, his hands really huge, putting on the costume, fit in more, he knows he’s a robot, fill the pages, these points out of these character, trying to derail my story, diversions of characters, fucking up the perfectly well timed heists, can’t but help himself, it got a flat, just too funny, he can’t help but frustrate Parker, I’m not a hired killer, getting the efficiency done, song and dance, let’s see the job, carry a whole book, more about Crystal, her interest, we meet the guy that puts her on to Parker only over the phone, another of these outfit guys, needs to be told what their job is, that seen with the boy, puts him in his place, you’re my boy, after this job is all well and done, makes him feel good, shuts him up, let me do my job, and as they were coming out later, Parker techniques, when we’re in institutional mode, along greased lines, it’s an institution, a thing behemoth, the right magic word, the right passphrase, opens up for you, treats people like Rubics cubes to be solved, main characters who are not the main character of this particular book, Don Westlake does not write NPCs, he doesn’t believe in them, Heinlein’s brinksmanship, in the news right now, not a great technique for every situation, NPCs are real, ai has always been with us, it is now digital instead of biological, take in and regurgitate, take out the old chip and put in the new chip, people who are programmable by outside forces, a drinking problem, every character has his or her own script, a factotum, Baron, Schultz?, he’s my family, he’s my this, he’s my that, the Hilton in Mexico city, the doctor and the punchy driver from The Man With The Getaway Face, where all of this came from, Westlake was in the Airforce in Germany, “snow top”, military police, gathering up rowdy airmen, not a gun fetishist, he wrote for Manhunt, fact articles, Manhunt’s Gun Rack, Colt Police Special, couple of automatics, he’s not a criminal, doing his fucking homework, become the writer, science articles, Astounding Science Fiction And Fact, back to Adventure, Robert E. Howard, how the mongol empire worked, make it feel like it is legit, goes to Texas, a concert, it is very loud, a racetrack one, super observant, his hand work, glass splashing, orbiting of hands, his signature, let’s look at the hand work in this book, how are people spreading their hands, Shakespeare wanting to act in his own plays, most people don’t read at all, Stephen King’s popular, where’d he get his love for writing?, dysfunctional relationship, Samuel R Delany, very different writers, a six or 8 part miniseries, movies like The Towering Inferno, Superbus?, Supertrain, a parody, transitioned into Greenland (2020), 2012 (2009), flying the plane, [Yakety Sax], takes itself seriously, in the outline it is a comedy, lean into that, Airplane! (1980), The Naked Gun series, Frank Sinatra New York Cop, both Arkins, couple girlfriends, I didn’t mean to kill her, internal monologue, breaking the fourth wall is as close as plays can come to what novels can do, The Postman Always Rings Twice, Double Indemnity, greasy Greek, asshole drifter, a ripped from the headlines style plot, spicy fast action, created the grounds for the 50s-60s-70s paperbacks, appreciate the best of a medium, some great Playstation games, point and click adventure, what greatness was there, it’s not disposable in the way of pulp magazines, Edgar Allan Poe story and an Edward Page Mitchell story, blew up, the reprint market, anonymous stories published once, science fiction stories that are H.G. Wells stories before H.G. Wells, faster than light travel, in the 1970s, this greatness existed, somebody passionately going back, putting it in book form, when Westlake goes out of print, share the files, you can’t less this go to waste, too valuable, too fun, 16th 17th 18th century, no champions for it, there’s been a Shakespeare champion for hundreds of years, you need champions, authors huge in their time, we still have the Sherlock Holmes stories, Sherlock Holmes’ smarter sister, Guy Ritchie, it’s not what Conan Doyle was doing, a great writer, can’t appreciate that, he’s not Arthur Conan Doyle, so many people are familiar with the remix Benedict Cumberbatch, fun, riff, taken from stories, A Study In Pink, cute, it’s fine, you can’t just swap in, Jeremy Brett ones, the best adaptations, the most adapted film ever, The Hound Of The Baskerville movies, a preview of the mystery to come, usually the other way around, never leaves the room, solves the whole crime from his residence, where Nero Wolfe comes from, to appreciate the art you need to read the goddamn book, Kahawa, more serious, more grim, the Idi Amin years in Uganda, an adventure, mercenaries in Africa, The Man Who Would Be King, don’t be expecting Dortmunder, he wrote a ton, because they are funny and fun, a new adventure every time, a softness for the Stark Parker book, Grofield’s adventures by himself, Parker’s a blank canvas, the van heist, some of them don’t work as well as the others, late books in the series, Breakout, Ask The Parrot, Cops And Robbers, very Dortmunder like, disposable characters, The Axe, The Hook, Humans, this intellect and this play and this experience of him through his books, a sparkling intellect, write stories that are appreciable, in the body of work, learn so much, anybody who wants to write, he makes it look so easy, working on public domain stuff, Veronica, that spark of what Westlake would become, a modest idea, this is the man who would be able to write really great novels, best novels of the 20th century, so many other ones, some of the things he can do in a book, Slayground, plotting it out, the basic idea, not a great movie either, Peter Coyote plays Parker, Brother And Sister, you can enjoy a Donald Westlake incest novel if enjoy the right word for it, everybody suiciding themselves, Killing Time, standalones, the nephew novels, Call Me A Cab, Somebody Owes Me Money, the bookie’s wife, nobody ever sees her, she never shows up in the book, only scene once, Forever And A Death, his James Bond novel, Hard Case Crime, an audiobook of it too, work on the road, pleasure reading, trying to be efficient, SFFaudio is about audiobooks, hard to get and expensive, the unabridged, 10 or 12 cassettes, pre-internet, blogs came in, 2003, Audible was just starting, podcasts who had not quite been invented, very efficient, washing dishes, folding laundry, almost exclusively audiobook, hard to know the numbers, ebooks are smaller than audiobooks, trying to get people to create audiobooks out of it, Amazon’s going to stop selling books because they’re not profitable, moving paper around, too small a market, after having killed the bookstores, 2 years ago, fixed conveyor belts, publishers don’t seem to be want to be in the book business, short fiction, Cirsova, going out of the magazine business, he’s a book lover, give what they do, covers that are garbage, traditional book publishers, media conglomerate, Lester Del Rey is no longer involved, Storyhack, Racketeer Press, Bryce Beattie, Ace Books, the supermajor conglomerate is kind of an abberation, the way publishing used to be, the distribution, getting it was hard, almost no bookstores, no newsstands, media mail, ridiculous, the post office is in the constitution, a physical object that needs to be delivered to you, trynna strangle it, trynna kill it, let’s pretend, an mp3 file, physical distribution is the hard thing, how China can ship for 3 cents, High Adventure, interesting mix of characters, he must have gone to South America, 3 Guianas, Belize on vacation, almost Jamaican, he writes what he knows, anytime you see something cool, I gotta use that in a book, so many stories about electricians, paint what you see, tiny country, Del Carzo?, maybe suddenly they’ll start producing them again, let’s produce some audiobooks, dry for 5 – 10 years, a great back catalogue, an old Books On Tape producer, bought everything ever produced, no new stuff that we never produced, they were a niche thing, talking books for the blind, bizarre, about the media itself, making a cassette, printing a page, there’s no excuses for that now, everything is cheap, even they make it cheap, many other publishers, still cheaper than the paperbook, commission basis, squeezing the shit out of the audiobook narrators, Scott Miller, 500 short stories, science fiction, sportscaster, loves creating audiobooks, he also loves it, looking at the long tail, that job, as their own publisher, squeezed, physical tape they were recording to, a 1 man operation, his own booth, prestige recording, a Hollywood actor to do it, a narrator, a specialist, George Guidall, Stefan Rudnicki, Skyboat Media, all of Delany’s stuff, a Delany fantatic, dropped off the face of the earth, knock on their door, somewhere in Nevada, Small Worlds, a guy on twitter published in Cirsova, 4 novels, a novella co-wrote with David Skinner, six books of short stories, selling as a package, novels vs. short stories, making virtually nothing from Audible, the beast Rabban, extract extract, decline, addicted to audible as the company, extremely convenient, the number of reviews for products in the last 5 years, nobody bothers reviewing anymore, everything on good reads is 3.6, put a number there, what limited ratings, a trend for audible, people just don’t write reviews anymore, it’s a podcast now instead of a blog, blogs were destroyed, it feels like The Hook, getting traffic too it, bemoaning what Amazon is, your sales can never go up they can only go down, his novel solution to it was fun, Ed McBain, not quite as prolific as Westlake, Cop Hater, police procedural, Downtown is really good, talking for two hours, for my sins, there are more public domain Westlake, need to be bulletproof, vague ideas and a little bit of advice, too sparky, where should we go from here?, one of the Scores, 4 of them, The Sour Lemon Score, it’s gone sour, Lemons Never Lie, The Rare Coin Score, the heist itself, The Blackbird, not just a body problem, almost late for work, run to school,it’s like a treat man, some people like donuts, an old Richard Stark novel, oh boy.
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