Tag: Edgar Rice Burroughs

The SFFaudio Podcast #916 – READALONG: Planet Of Adventure by Jack Vance

Jesse and Alex (Pulpcovers) talk about Planet Of Adventure by Jack Vance

Talked about on today’s show:
4 novels, between 1964, what did you think of this book, scanscope, waggling my fingers, “interesting”, three things that come up endlessly in these 4 books, Adam Reith and his motley crew, experience, one good big novel, a very good book, The Moon Moth, a murder mystery, all the things that are in here, a long short story, other series, the dude wrote a lot, really part of a series that’s one big book, clearly in the middle of a story, a natural final completion, the strength and the weakness of this book, designed to make you read more, a big side quest, almost gets the ship launched, only three, tries to steal a ship, loops right back to where he was, delay tactics, that could be the idea, frustrating, a perverse thought that would be really awesome, goes into the endless, eternity, just livves there forever, turns into a statue, still sits there today, frozen forever, about this book, where it comes from, and other books in this mode, The Green Odyssey by Philip Jose Farmer, a series by Mike Resnick, hero guy says “interesting”, gets out of his problems using his alien mind, thinks differently, hows he gonna get out of it?, a mode of science fiction, appreciate and frustrated with, Ringworld, luck is skill, bred to be lucky, such a fun idea, a little bit Mars, two moons, the cultural stuff, soft science fiction, it has to be handled well, in the tradition of, four alien races, pnumemen, a greek term for knowledge, strange society, throw it away and move on to the next one, the saving grace, it should be read as a whole, a modern novel, get you back up to speed stuff, it flows very well, which do you like the most?, the gold rush town, The Most Dangerous Game, the only way to get them, sentient tiger things, all the sequins that you can carry, biological?, mineral, geodes that grow in the soil, strange mushroom, nodules, geological nodule, like bitcoin mining, claim jumpers, what book is Casino World?, the eel racing, more than one thing going on in it, at least two big things, book 4, a girl in every book, I’m a princess of Mars, some adventurer who saved her, a sack of gold, be on your way, a big change from the expectation of the first book, most radical discontinuity, the love interest is excised from the plot, more freedom of adventure, kidnapped again, Zap210, Karina 429, employing the techniques of the odyssey, today at the typewriter, it was very tawny, old and boring looking, worn out, a direct reference to, that whole genre, from the late 60s, vintage sci-fi, when Burroughs was at his peak, 1912?, going on sixty years, that double gap, does it really well, doing it earnestly, no tongue in cheek here at all, there’s some of everything, a planetary romance, kinda stinky, mystery religions, the mysteries of some female anti-sex cult, the bitter old feminist sex-cult, fairly misogynistic, the main character is a male, he is heterosexual, underdeveloped female, I’m having these strange feelings, that’s how the species gets reproduced, very solid, weird sex cults on earth, cutting their boobs and dicks off, do it just for the art, a science fiction setting, was Jack Vance a seabee?, a photo of him on a boat, the start of the premise, the way a Star Trek episode would start, space navy, competent, we don’t know which one is going to be , nobody wants a bald short guy, Paul Wander, such a good name, Adam Reith, humans taken from earth and made slaves, getting back to Earth, the boat journey, Robert E. Howard style plotting, one damn thing after another, coincidence, what he’s written before, about the map, abandon the map, continents and islands, every time he goes to a new culture, a reskin, this is clearly Venice, Norse barbarians, merchant marine, essentially the same thing, you get off the boat, they have a different culture there, primitive people as you bulldoze their forest to make a landing strip, Thailand and Hong Kong, both Asian, not the same, what makes something taboo, puts a female mask on Zap210, orgy, the emblems, your emblem is you identity, keep with the Austrian accent, why people get tattoos, figure out their identity, what Jack Vance’s science is, how weird people are, the extreme of the underworld, a little bit like Weena and the Time Traveler from The Time Machine, made permanently child like, the whole point, the Eloi are the aristocracy, we don’t know how our car works, we’re definitely gonna eat you, she herself was a teacher of the young ones, decorum, don’t be boisterous, that kind of transformation, the only identity she had, girls inbetween, immediately kills, trying to get off the planet, a really bad villain, the worst villain ever, Wooldiver, avarice, the collection of money, his religion, he wants to be a Dirdirman, heresy, the big egg, sticking baby Chasch in the brain, chemically castrated, its all culture, this is how things are, I’m only level 4, a key to understanding, he becomes king of a city in book 1, I don’t have time for this, have to make reforms, I don’t especially care, he’s got adventure, king of that one small town, that extraction, the narrator is really good at making him evil, alive or dead, put in the glass box, presumably he’s dead, all wrapped up eventually, he and his remaing crew, some kind of a report, where it ends, a sequel, an epilogue, little Adam Reiths running around, pretty tame, not a sex adventure, Gor-curious, better written, a 25 book series, The Demon Princes, The Star-King, one damn thing after another and no resolution, you have to sell the book the way it needs to be sold, a four season show, the themes and the chapter breaks all fit together and hang together as a nice whole, not wrong, motivations, Predators, that human hunting stuff, mad Pnume, nighthounds are the same thing, walking on four legs upside down, as an ecosystem, not as thorough as Dune, worms up and down, one species planet, using that background to enrich the alienness of The War Of The Roses or some such, pilgrim plant, a restaurant, restaurant in Bankok, this is spicy, this is very pickled, grow to enjoy, a different set of taboos, cultural morals, the experience of adventure, Lieutenant Gullivar Jones: His Vacation, visit to Mars by magic carpet, legless children, the bitter feminist cult, an organ made of men, everything moves on, who thinks of that?, Elric of Melniboné, Melbourne, the sword who drinks, a sash, a hat, a way of hiding your hair, the ferry, very Charon on the ferry, the most modern of the books, eyes are free, almost all of them are zombies, cigarettes off the sidewalk, we’re not zombies like these other people, seperate from those zomies, trapped in your own algorithm, you block people, Brave New World, the soma, the only one that’s sweet, clever and so insidious, hunt escapees, really solid, compared to Ringworld, for such a big dumb object, in the first book, hard science fiction, engineering, superstrong string, technology stuff, everyone’s got spaceships, the scanscope, doesn’t know anything about physics, the hulk, it was cool to the touch, because it’s iron, what it can do, those strange markings, do not point at sun, Luke’s binoculars from Star Wars, a fantasy world, wooden sailing ships, D&D on this planet, everyone knows there are spaceships, yep yep, yes it is, hunting for food for a spear, learns a language by kissing a girl, they’re bitcoin mined, rhymes with stuff that happens on Earth, when you read Jack London, lots of horrible cultural shocks, temperature shocks, how assholish people are, telling it from the point of view of a dog, many many such, a liberation there, faithfulness, very frothy, apples are really delicious, the same reason that they float, this book is not a dense stake, that crunch sound, if you hold an orange, juicy, mostly fluff, I would have more of this, three books called the Alastor, three books, cluster of 10,000 stars, loosely under the control of this dictator, the Whelm, the weird Jack Vance culture, the dictator, shows up in disguise, lowly bureaucrat, giant space battleship, pops in and likes to observe his planets, Tales Of Dying, that’s what we read, a French version, it takes longer in French, Lyonesse, To Live Forever, get your level up high enough, trying to solve his own murder, Big Planet looked really good, more out of print stuff, the Vance Integral Edition, a matched set, limited print, 60 books, brown leather, collection vs. reading, makes it unappealing, a nice pulp cover, $1500 in 2003, $14,995, 47 volumes, cheap paperbacks, a successful author, Stephen Leacock, My Financial Career, Stephen Leacock’s house, Mark Twain’s house, a massive beautiful home based on telling lies, so many cases like that, nobody you’ve heard of has a writing castle in Michigan, the premiere medium, movies were just coming in, as a writer you were the source and the sole employee, you could do it, E. Phillips Oppenheim, Howard had a typewriter, a carbon copy, a big market for fiction, so many magazines, then hardback market, paperback market, audiobook ebook market?, audible makes money now, stretch your legs into some E.R. Eddison, The Worm Ouroboros, majestic romance, should rejoiced, the many mountained demon land, a literary event of the first importance, there is a map and illustrations, 15 hours, 520 pages, appendices, somewhere down the road, last weekend of September, Tolkien or C.S. Lewis, A Voyage To Arcturus by David Lindsay, has two heads, a girl, astral projection, same way as John Carter, magic carpet, you don’t need oxygen, the symbology going on, everybody’s retarted, the language has got so much simpler, that literary voice, the dumbing down of pop culture, the producers insist they recap what’s happened, oh that just happened, don’t make them work for it, the themes are shallower, an endless fetch quest, the difference is that is an excuse to get the next culture, to have the next adventure, Metropolis, 2001: A Space Odyssey, static scenes, the exact right mood for it, 2010 is a great science fiction movie, Brave New World, gets you into the mood of what the book is going to be about, a really good painted cover, That Time I Got Drunk and Yeeted a Love Potion at a Werewolf by Kimberley Lemming, World Without Men by Charles Eric Maine, weirdly fascinating, that’s it, contraception, government conspiracy, shoots down the jetliner, its fun, ideas, the last man on earth, all these lesbians who hate him, very 2026, the first male child in 5000 years, look at this we created a male, enforced lesbianism, a supercomputer that runs the world, a fun read, Mr. Adam by Pat Frank, everybody’s sterile, inspecting a lead mine, we need to study this, we must study you, we have a sperm gap, the Chinese have seized him, Canada’s like we will play along, a mockery of American government and bureaucracy, a mocking satire, all these guys coming back from WWII, using science fiction ideas, the fun stuff, if it doesn’t have robots or androids or supercomputers or vampires it better fuckin have a murder, maybe an Agatha Christie, not as a steady diet, conartist in space, Deathworld by Harry Harrison, a good space opera, Deathstalker by Simon R. Green, weird urban fantasy, giant decadent space empire, farm planet, a sexy mistress that he bought from the concubine store, declared an outlaw, start a rebellion and overthrow an empire, plot reasons, swordfights and blasters, corrupt decadent courts, handmaidens with brains burned out, no one can say no, this is what happens when you put women in charge, and the adventure continues, a chonker, two weeks to read four books, other genres, military science fiction, subset of space opera, big dramatic galaxy changing, subverting tropes thing, invading this planet, this unit trapped somewhere, Honor Harrington, Horatio Hornblower in space, the big dumb object, bio-science fiction, Peter Watts, Greg Bear, Project Hail Mary, The Martian and the other Martian (Odyssey) by Stanley G. Weinbaum, Artemis, anything still being talked about 100 years later, Orville Prescott, its not as big as Shogun, old books still being talked about, 100 years later, an introduction by big movie collection, Forrest Ackerman, my Slan friend, skyscraper is a reference to a sail on a ship, the moonraker, Moloch, the heart machine, the human clocks, the mole world, a ruler as ruthless, the Seal of Solomon, supermundane science, Hugo Gernsback, I don’t want to be him and I think I am him, set in Novembro 2026, The Cosmic Courtship by Julian Hawthorne, Cirsova, illustrations, some collector had the issues, to do the OCR, they didn’t release those scans, Mary Faust, a brilliant scientist, an evil sorcerer, Jack Paladin, her love, swashbuckling, 1917, a gutenberg text, so many scans coming in, Black Canaan, how to pronounce Ouroboros, adventury book, it went down easy, a big investment is fine, more people should be readin Jack Vance, born in 1916, Showboat World, modern author biography, wrote a bunch of crappy books, cattlehand, mercenary in South Africa, joined a cult in the Himalayas, admit when a story is good, a story published in Chatelaine in 1983, a good story, called The Metaphor, a really good English teacher, flamboyant, teaching grade 7 for 16 years, my dog is a big fluffy cat, my mom is a cold austere building, do you need to talk to somebody, attracted to boys now, finally spreading her wings, a little older, just as flamboyant, the students all make fun of her, hit by a bus, how important you were to me, it was a murder, that is most of the mainstream literature that teachers push on kids, they went into creative writing, their upbringing, become a dentist, now reconciled with you brother, every single Disney movie, the working class playwright, Monty Python, broad country accent, coal mining is an honorably profession, more to life with gala lunches, nailing a lot, the people in the DSA, in favour of the working class but they don’t know any, LuluLenin, people aspiring to that sort of class, a lot of money for a mug, there’s something there, probably helped their writing, rich kids that did good, Larry Niven, Michael Crichton, a really solid paperback from the 70s, it felt complete, hit it big, moving on, very much a John Lange, bigger projects, The Great Train Robbery, he directed the movie, an excellently funny film, when you’re watching a 70s movie, The Black Hole (1979), the hot Maui sun, Deep Rising (1998), 80s movies, 60s movies, great westerns.

Posted by Jesse Willis

The SFFaudio Podcast #899 – READLONG: The Rare Coin Score by Richard Stark AND Money For Nothing by Donald E. Westlake

Jesse and Misha Burnett talk about The Rare Coin Score by Richard Stark AND Money For Nothing by Donald E. Westlake

Talked about on today’s show:
1968 and 2003, 40 years apart, Trent Reynolds, the last of the nephew novels, a mode, somebody’s nephew, The Fugitive Pigeon, a character caught up in someone else’s problem, The Spy In The Ointment, Up Your Banners, the Dortmunders, driving a Toyota Avalon, a driver’s license with no picture on it, Claire is the same Claire, good female characters, quite good, that’s gotta be it, she’s saying similar things, that’s fine, kill the guy in the garage, don’t tell me anything, two guys, roaming over the country, a threesome going, fucking up punks on the boardwalk, making the fight last longer, a call from Handy McKay, there’s something wrong, all the books are great except for The Hunter, a few of the phrases, The Philosophy Of Parker, the vocabulary of what makes someone a *good* person, “self-contained”, Lempkie, the eunuch, Billie, wearing a gun to the meeting, lusting after a girl who obviously doesn’t want him, French is a mirror of Parker, respects until he has to kill him, nothing personal, what makes French a less good version of Parker, getting stupid, getting too hungry, into his stake, heist the heisters, the ultimate no-no, knowing he was going to kill them at the end of the job, we’ll deal with that later, something awesome about the creation of Parker, no first name, part 1 chapter 2, looked like a machine not yet turned on, thinking about nothing, lay waiting in the dark, self-possessed, very remote and cool, Mr. Lynch?, a fateful exchange, I would have fucked you and fucked off, she convinces him, they fuck anyways and he doesn’t fuck off, if the Parker series is a series where the character develops, a white sandy bitch named Belle, New Orleans, always good openings, Biloxi, mentioned again?, the first of that 4 series, a woman tied up on the bed, untie me I need to pee, plans to meet with Claire in 3 months, they’re compatible, Parker’s mentality, home team and away stuff, a deeper insight, she’s not moral she’s squeamish, she just wanted a stake, airline pilot, crashed into a mountain somewhere in Europe, there’s no insurance, an important word in the Westlake universe, as amoral as Parker, confirmed thesis, weird connection, Ayn Rand is a weird lady, The Fountainhead, the characters in it are not humans, the architect, ruin his career, mad enough to rape her, about the art of the building of the beautiful building, we only come together as sexual beings because of our mutual interest, fucking bizarre, inhuman and super-interesting, bizarre, the machine that is Parker, super-ignorant, outer space, how many moons Jupiter has, insurance, he has Claire explain something to him, casing the joint, African violets on the sill, he has to perform, he’s like an autist, he knows what people expect so he performs for them, engraved letters, MCMXLVII, what’s the number?, Diablo Tours, pretend to be honeymooners, she’s a part of the heist, why is that in the book?, Parker doesn’t know anything about things that don’t matter, she’s not a robot, she’s something else, she has to contain her annoyance, she takes out her feelings examines them and puts them away, she’s the opposite of Billy, Westlake’s so good at this, this book in relief, the opposite, trying to put out fires, just goes along, a new hero arises to solve it, the actor, he loves actors and acting, putting on accents, four fifths, pick up a gun and make some decisions, locked up in the estate with the thug outside his door, tricked into it, a manipulation scene, the gun is right there in front of him, maybe I don’t want to die, Jeremy and the wife, toodling along in life, the opposite kind of a book, cut-outs, things that happen in this book, what’s the name of the Stan, Freddy the absolute dictator afraid of a gypsy curse, play along fun, when he goes to the Barnes and Noble, George R.R. Martin, taking a little dig, what happened to publishing, Fire Island, New York, Too Much, And The Band Played On, contrastive books, as much play, Billy Levetard, Bank Shot, Kelp’s nephew Victor, the same sort of character, roly-poly, sweaty, unattractive and pathetic, Nobody’s Perfect, the mark is the finger, insurance scam, sneakin around in alleys dressed in black, the glamour and excitement of the job without doing the work, a serious pro or a poseur, take over the plot, Josh is so passive, everthing sort of happens to him, hapless, a deeper understanding of the english language, hap is luck, what happened, very happy, Josh is just going along, a paper company, playing all the cards that he has, mixes and matches, this shift thing, other characters POVs, security guard, ex-MP, in the nephew book, always with Josh, that out of control-ness, more playful, when he’s in Stark mode, becomes a cartoon, Dormunder mode, well drawn, and precise, a deadly edge, he’s dead, he could have worked with, his professionalism, why French is dead, French assumed Parker was going to bail, the drawing, he’s pal skinned, can he hold it together for one more job, Claire clarifies the situation, it doesn’t work like that, Lempke, Murder Incorporated, Levetard, it’s not William it is Billy, childlike, Parker won’t shake his hand, where the money’s going, coming out of Lempke’s half, everybody’s who’s dead gets their piece, a very strong book, changes thing up and quite works, Westlake’s interest in coins, Lawrence Block wrote tons about numismatist (and philately), a Hit Man who’s a stamp collector, the hobby of kings and the king of hobbies, connections to history, a coin convention, they’re writers, wow man, what would Parker do if he were here, such a good job with backstory, well explained, how you build a character, how you act against another character, until they died, inherited some money, fell into becoming a coin dealer, a felon, these are his friends that he’s betraying, Indianapolis, Indiana, he’s very solid about describing, when he goes to Europe he takes notes, Parker is not driving, everything about this job is amateur, everything goes well until a professional steps in and fucks things up, super-interesting, in relief, double the length, the backstory is superwell worked out, taken money a long time ago, now you’re activated, impinging upon, the plot, slight of hand, Dancing Aztecs, make up a country, so many things that he’s playing with, Fetherbender, Mr. Nimrin, anagrams of each other, a trilogy, so stupid, Chapter 13, David L. Fogware, Enchantress Of Nim, more open to him as he rose, rubbing it in, author reading, new Dortmunder book, a real Barnes and Noble, ENCHANTRESS, some even smaller letters, not quite 7pm, none of them were Mr. Nimrin, so playful, strange people, sixties flower children, cryogenically frozen for 30 years, homelessness, condemntation, people who’d lost their luggage, windbreakers and pony tails, pony tails up front, amiable about it, glad not to be in, scuttling in, slim, bespectacled, pocket protector, a certain amount of jealousy?, annoyance, so popular, he left science fiction mad, Smoke is by him, invisible man burglar story, a phenomena, getting huge, press release, certain enthusiasm, Mr. Nimrin, a fellow carrying a book, the most enthusiastic applause at all, and a windbreaker, over L.L. Bean boots, becoming modesty, two kinds of burliness, the burliness of beer, Donald E. Westlake tapping his own pot belly, what is all this in aid of?, diversion, a little old lady in a walker comes up, his contact, the assassination plot, deep in the book, it never really comes off, Prisoner Of Zenda by Anthony Hope, Graustark, Ruritania, Kamastanish, the granddaddy of all these, Double Star, Edgar Rice Burroughs, the one by Winston Churchill, most of Marvel is this, Dr. Doom, Latvia, Latveria, The Duchy of Grand Fenwick, an ammo dump, Charles, lost her mind, she hasn’t lost her mind, she knows that she’s a captive, blow it up, so funny, revenge estates, spite wall, Marathon, is there a Dortmunder character in this book, the Taxi driver, more of a type, not actually Merch’s mom, in the five boroughs, the same kind of character, the type, authors getting trapped in these 7 book series, really really popular, doin well, start something up, can’t you give us another Dortmunder?, series vs. standalone books, specificaly at Hugo award winners, used to be, even now it is still true, N.K. Jemisin, Ringworld, too popular, ten years later, they don’t get progressively better, a “mystery” writer, Mysterious Press, lifetime Edgar awards, this pressure to create series, like Agatha Christie, Poirot, Travis McGee, James Bond, more freedom, he got away with it, anything with your name on it, in the balance, you could only have series or you could only have standalones, weird philosophy of efficiency, he wont put up with anything that’s inefficient, that kind of philosophy is very helpful, professional colleagues, most people don’t read much, because he gets away with it, he makes criminals very cool, most criminals are not professionals, a hardend criminal, when people are stupid in a Stark novel, weird mindset, fun but not philosophy, 52 theory, Laverne & Shirley, schlemiel Schlimazel, bad luck, bad stars, The Handle, The Road To Ruin, similar scenes, the planners, in their own private world, their plan is coming together, the ruthlessness, nobody dies in the Dortmunder books, nobody gets hurt, brutal animal death, implied rape scenes, so soft, it should almost be done as a cartoon, film noir, black and white, very hard, a period piece, this is what the word hard-boiled is for, soft boiled?, poached, worked on equipment of various different kinds, machines fear and obey me, stuff that isn’t following the rules, a lighting circuit, driving you nuts, no fault of his own, a scene in almost every book, you can figure this out, reinforces his collapsing mentality, her tuna casserole, Transylvania Station, Dortmunder’s conscience, a very selective conscience, Drowned Hopes, forces him to figure out how to keep the bad guy from blowing up the dam, Dortmunder has different needs, do they ever get married?, commonlaw, the neighbours think they’re married, a lot of the same stuff disguised by the modes, how writing is done, the theatre, travel, insurance, why is that date 1947?, when Tina shows up in Money For Nothing the book is derailed, Westlake’s realism, Chekov’s gun, it has to be doing a job, it has to work like a red herring, it’s a puzzle that you are solving, anticipated or see how it fits together, a Philip K. Dick novel, scenes vs. that great plot, The Murder Of Roger Ackroyd, Edgar Rice Burroughs, relies on coincidence to solve all problems, the more experimental Westlake novels, they’re not all equally good, the ideas are not as good, formulaic after the 2nd one, pushes the envelope on the formula, the next book after The Handle, a changeup, Claire is his anchor, even when she’s not really in the story he has her to go back to, an identity that he needs to protect, The Green Eagle Score, Plunder Squad, double the length, Butcher’s Moon, an interlibrary loan to the Yukon, the thrift shop, never see a Westlake, exactly the right time, Michael Crichton, Next and Timeline, people dying, people downsizing, the fact that you can’t get a Westlake unless you go out looking for him, The Actor (2025), Memory, an interesting book, that James Bond one, Forever and a Death, international heist, profit in seeing Westlake in bookstores, there’s gold here, the book industry has gone to shit, published or republished, movie posters good, book covers based on movie posters bad, when Jurassic Park came out as a book, the 80s is sort of the end of good covers, getting to be a reader, either by being bored, an island with no electricity, John Buchan, no pictures, a little invisible man talking to a dragon, Tolkien didn’t want his books in paperback, allow paperback publication, mother’s collection of paperbacks, Samuel Delany, large random, Edna St. Vincent Millay, collected poems, Charles Fort, bored, C.M. Kornbluth, nurse romances, Night Nurse, went to college, college textbooks, parasitology, ecclectic background, science fiction and fantasy, they’re cool, Yoda got me into mysteries, Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, full of stupid stuff, changed in the years between, parents were divorcing, a paperback copy of Thomas Disch’s Camp Concentration, Disch Delany Dick, new wave, not safe for work/kids, going backwards, not quite as god as you think, 25 times on HBO, lawnmowing money, he’s Fozzy Bear, the way his X-Wing is dragged into the muck, in reaction to that, broadening out from science fiction, Joseph Wambaugh, The Blue Knight, The New Centurions, an older woman, Dancing Aztecs, madcap, the first 2 or 3 pages, that many characters, individual and distinct, you’ll enjoy the ride, Money For Nothing is full of characters, every one of them is fun, the Robert E. Howard, the colours are gonna come up, axes to grind, he never goes into a story without anger about something, plot tricks he uses over and over again, some of the details, that’s clearly a Westlake right there, any walkon character, Josh is the least interesting character in this book, the narrator is much more interesting and judgey, Tina’s great, the actor who’s activated, almost a cartoon, fairly interesting and serious spy story, we had a good show, that Sheckley would be a good choice, paperback mentality.

Posted by Jesse Willis

The SFFaudio Podcast #875 – AUDIOBOOK/READALONG: The Undying Monster by Jessie Douglas Kerruish

The SFFaudio Podcast #875 – The Undying Monster by Jessie Douglas Kerruish (7 hours 56 minutes) read by Ben Tucker, for LibriVox, followed by a discussion of it. Participants in the discussion include Jesse, Alex (Pulpcovers), and Tommy Patrick Ryan

Talked about on today’s show:
Monster?, before 2014, her publication in famous fantastic mysteries, pretty good, not super well known, did you write it, different spelling, different lady, here’s a big novel by me, 8 hours long, a full novel, 3 and half hours is novel, people disagree, unplug and plug back in, decent, you liked it, good points, inventive, where to get there, that one’s not great, the recording, he’s got a British accent, most of the voices, competent, Ben Tucker is good, an interesting choice, a lot more acting, did you manage to see the movie?, this last week, last night, driving to and from some stuff, spoiler alert, a good werewolf story, Luna, more obvious, the werewolf is attracted to the moon, for whatever reason, fasinated by shapechangers, werewolves in particular, the druid class, into wolves and bears, Diablo, a werewolf or werebear, Brandytook?, lifted from Tolkien, our favourite hobbits, awith a swing of his stick, inventing the game of golf, the shapechanger, turn into dragons, D&S or Pathfinder, forgotten everything about this book, all the pictures, a hand of glory on the cover, scenes from all sorts of different stuff, the drivers died, irritating, big loss there bud, missed out on the etymology, fascinated by skinchangers, skinwalker, a [novel] approach, 4th and 5th dimension, a very strong personality behind it, the Saga of the Volsungs, oh yeah, skipped throughable, the video on YouTube, on archive.org, sort of worth watching, the book is quite different, 8 hrs vs. an hour, the last line of the movie, wait a minute, a weird joke to put in a murder movie, this book is all sorts of things, Oliver and Swanhild, she straps on her brother’s service revolver, WWI, driving almost everybody to kill themselves, the shaw, either Doyle, Professor somebody, or that lady, Doyle is Conan Doyle, with so much baggage, the subtitle of the book, Hound Of The Baskervilles, a reverse gothic novel, early Scooby Doo, old man withers!, the supernatural thing is always fake, inheritance scheme, condos, what shaw is, old english, a thicket or copse, what it is, context it makes sense, this weird dark cave, forested, a coppicing, a copse of trees, a forest cultivated for making charcoal and home heating, sticks of the right size, for making faggots, walking sticks, wand, a little tree branch, you can just substitute the moors, with the Doyle reference, a mystery, supernatural stuff, documents, the legend, a doctor showing up at Sherlock Holmes’ residence, the legend of the Baskervilles, extraordinary evidence, a response to that, a story by Barry Pain, The Undying Thing, contemporaneously, turns out it was first published in 1893, a chain, a feudal house in some part of England, the old English manor house, a family in decline, the setting is great, cool old things, secret rooms, mounds, guys who live in cottages, Holmes, Dracula, vampires, a series of RPGs, larping, Vampire The Masquerade, weirder, give me all the rules, five phases of werewolves, krynos form, the wolfman, almost pass for a really hairy dude, a dire wolf, loup garou, Norse mythology, unexpected but welcome, the twist, the dog is dead, maybe he’s not a werewolf, the first ancestor, still hiding, the Magnus guy, all turn into wolves because of crazy, if you have the knowledge when you are in the womb, before he had sex to make you, encoded in your genes, racial memory, scanned through it, as soon as she’s out in the wood, how come I know that, forgotten the movie, noted on a tweet, really funny audio drama called THE MONSTER HUNTERS, retell old movies as their own, 1970s groovy monster, Heir Of The Dog, a game on Steam, gold car, ache in my back, she’s playing with the record player, they are attacked by a werewolf, this is what inspired that, the tropes are there, scared to death, when John Baskerville comes, connecting these altogether, incest, old English families, keep it in the family, Swanhild is also in Eric Brighteyes by H. Rider Haggard, 1883, maybe it starts with a g and ends with an l, ghoul?, such a werewolf nerd, a rundown of the Saga of the Volsungs, the race of the Volsungs, an edda, the translation by William Morris, 3000 years later, reading Edgar Allan Poe, you fool, this bird is not a Raven, yeah, we don’t care, where Gandalf came from the dwarves of the hobbit, Smaug is not in there, Fafnir is a talking dragon, talking dragons are also shapeshifters, there’s just talking dragons, talking fish, dragons are men, they shapeshift because of their behavior, sit on piles of gold, kidnap maidens and keep them for themselves, a good king doesn’t sit on his horde, he has 1, if you are a bad king you become a dragon who should be slain, werewolves are something you do, you put on the mantle of a wolf, the skin of a wolf, something you put over yourself, you become a wolf’s head, becoming crazed, about to be eaten by her brother, the way the family will prosper is by eating somebody, conk on the head, The Fall Of The House Of Usher, brother sister creepin, Roderick young comes to visit, falls into a black lake, the background for what could have happened, heroine, really good at hypnosis, the gal Kate, still alive at the time, wasn’t dead yet, I’m a normal man now, did kill that lady, alone with only one other person, a thin explanation, believing in the rules of the thing, a GenCon viking guy, vikings and dwarves, beards and culture, the land of the ice and snow, Immigrant Song, really fun, links, the setting that it’s pulling from, a neat exploration, is it well written, cheesy stuff, the movie ends abruptly, the natural ending is about an hour before the ending, the lady detective wrap-up, some more hypnosis, better in its parts than it is in its whole, the giant man overlooking the estate, the first image in the PDF, made of the shaw, sort of symbolic, the giant man of Dannaou, ancient chalk carving out, horses or men, the horses are well regarded, genitals exposed, looms over the whole story, you’re Danish, I knew it, sloppy, convention stuff, a terrific Lovecraft connection, The Alchemist, an early one by him, little boy raised in a castle, near Spain?, no mirrors in the castle, part of the castle has been condemned, some kids point over at him, maybe he has a dragon head, this ancestral curse upon the family, the men in the family will die before the age of 30, they die from accidents, earning immortality, he has cursed the family, by literally staying alive to kill them, in the background of this, Paulo Coelho, The Lurking Fear, respect Lovecraft as a humorist, a journalist who goes to investigate Thunder Mountain, a family up there, under the right conditions, one of these cannibal people living under the old house, a big burly friend with lots of meat on him, CHUDS, Lovecraft is hilarious, Re-Animator, same joke five times in a row, so many cool touches, our lady detective, she’s there but she bakes some taffy and they make fun of her, not really the same character, she’s the star of the show, a Madame Blavatsky, her aunt, her lesbian lover, not a lot of homosexuality in here, this threat of incest, vibe based, you don’t remember incest in there, Stapledon, the guy who made the hound luminous, he’s married to the love interest, he wants to be the heir, he gets really mad, that’s find, simulated incest jealous, a kind of a clue, the Baskerville race, the Usher race, a brother and a sister, alone together, she has a boyfriend fiancee, we’re out of duty to not being incestuous, a childhood friend of the family’s, we were in the war together, another male character, to do some lifting, made the change, hears the howl, going through the moat, the secret room, he was much more dedicated to his fiancee, the fake arm thing, artifical arm, Thorin Oakenshield, Bifur and Bofur, Zipper and Zoffer, son of, Swanhildsdotter, fake arm saved his life, the movie doesn’t represent the book very well, too much to adapt, she’s such a great investigator character, Murder She Wrote but paranormal, he’s got a crush on her, such a Mary Sue for this book, she is having so much fun being the smartest one in the room and the love interest, her hero character, she brought in herself, kind of a witch, weight as much as a duck, extracted from the PDF, wit, knit, Hammond’s race shall live and thrive, espieth, dieth, worse than death shall be his lot, you should kill yourself, why did the grandfather kill himself?, he saw the monster, The White Ape, Facts Concerning Arthur Jermyn And His Family, when we do a show on Congo, Michael Crichton, King Solomon’s Children, an Amazon delivery from Africa, kerosene, as you are a Lovecraftian investigator, the box was his grandma, sorta looks simian, he couldn’t live with the knowledge, racial horror, my grandpa used to work in the circus, restart the call, super bad joke, packed delivered, which is worse, in this book it tells you, a break, why that racial memory stuff needs to come in, under control when they had the knowledge, they had to kill, we just gotta eat somebody, attacked before the book started, the poacher, the butler’s worried, she grabs his pistol, reading it into it, laying it down, weird, fun, you shouldn’t marry your sister, on board the not marrying your sister train, a lot of characters, the least interesting character is our werewolf, our dude’s name being Oliver, Oliver Reed played a werewolf, 1942 movie, 22, 24, the reprint, 1948, Ben-Hur, a 23 hour show and a couple hours of talk about it, back to the werewolf book, a twist on the genre, the racial memories were weird, Danish Norse mythology, lycans is Greek, in Roman times, man in saxon or something, werebear, werecat, manbearpig, Saxon is German, Eaters Of The Dead, Beowulf, Grendel!, a good twist, hate parties, flapper dancers, false trails, a viking longship in a mound, the sword hilt, the background, the evidence that this is all true, complete bullshit, she does a lot of things very well, a preconception, word association, revealed, this is actually, false memory shit, demons, recovered memory, almost all of this is fake, hypnosis ads, quitting smoking, any phenomena that exist in society is either a threat or a tool, it’s not what we think it is, it’s not Mesmerism, the phrase hypnotic ability, a hypnotic disability, the performer up on stage, dancing like a chicken, those are plants, one way of understanding, cold reading, guy pretends he has psychic powers, begins with a G, he loved you very much, a scam, assistants, who travel around, fill in, become actors, a little bit like dinner theater, if you can’t juggle, often involves dominance of personality, the most interesting person in the room, the non-Vichy France, De Gaull was the tallest, if tall promoted more, you need to be seen, hire a dwarf, a commanding presence, submit your personality to that person, to regress him back through his ancestry, you want this to be true, confabulating, I didn’t want him to make stuff up, familiar with hypnosis, through hypnosis, the book is really good, an interesting departure, refind it again, cool, but incongruent, a little hard to follow, impressed, 40 minutes of the last hour, viking hypnosis, taking away his trauma, we’re all gonna watch Ragnarok together, Assassin’s Creed Valhalla, all this viking stuff, the rainbow bridge, the Norse myths, just watching the Thor movies, God Of War videogames, out of Greece and into Norse myth stuff, Neil Gaiman, Beowulf script, stuff going on with him, not sure we like him, he’s a good narrator, super-impressed, a good writer, Lemony Snicket, instead of Tim Curry, a retelling, having that knowledge, the reference to Wagner, Ride Of The Valkyries, tapping into the same stuff, the Ring Cycle, retelling, nothing new under the sun, all variations, quite similar to it, she has done a little thing, what I imagine Seabury Quinn is like, remixes popular things, Murder On The Links, Poirot on a golf course, nobody reads him anymore, not true of Holmes, The White Company, Professor Challenger, 4 or 5 of them, When The World Screamed, drill to the center of the earth, the earth doesn’t like it, a really good Doctor Who serial Inferno, turning people into werewolves, green werewolf, a mirror universe, under a fascist regime, eyepatch, just like the Star Trek Mirror Universe, they destroy the world, Stan Lee, they’re different, much more like a werewolf, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, Bruce Banner, cosmic, get a werewolf costume cheap, acts like a werewolf, transformed by contact, scary and fun, how it ties into this book, in the tradition of this Hammond family, the possibility, the accept it, they don’t cut down the trees because they’re not cowards, it’s a trait, they’re leaning into it, Teen Wolf (1985), Teen Wolf Too, dad’s a werewolf, terrific, he has it under control, keep that anger under control, Nazi Germany, werewolf units, fight to the bitter end, hide out in the mountains, run NATO for us, Operation Gladio, unwilling to submit to others, dangerous between the cities, like Robin Hood but in a bad way, turn werewolf, the North American wendigo, the same idea, you do this by having eaten human flesh, killing a person in the way you kill an animal, acted wildly, play on the basketball team, otherwise you might become a wolf, metaphorically, vampires work that way, a Star Wars reference, Wendigo in Marvel Comics, Alpha Flight, werewolfesque, Beast, female werewolves, types of mutants, Shaman, Puck, Sasquatch, a man of the woods, bigfoot, werewolf adjacent, an uncontrollable thing, starlight and pine trees, a lack of control, they don’t even realize, I didn’t realize I was a rapist, Seth Green plays a werewolf, interesting to think of how people handle werewolves, the player was in complete control, a special attack, he’s hairy, he heals, outdoorsy, he’s short like a Wolverine, 5 foot 2, the inbetween a man and a werewolf, the claws come out, Hulk 181, Ginger Snaps (2000), Brotherhood Of The Wolf (2001), a frogdog, ERB enterprise, a six-legged frogdog from Mars, Odin’s horse has eight legs, a regular horse, in about 10 years, rural wild dog attacks, suburban?, clawed by one of these dogs, transformed, on her next flow day, the period cycle, not an expert on women’s periods, on the moon’s cycle, doesn’t track the calendar exactly, in men’s bodies, most animals have a season, she’s just a girl trying to go to high school, 2 sequels filmed back to back, solid action werewolf movie, you can do a cool variation, Wolfen (1981), a review of how good it is, the audio drama of A Princess Of Mars, $90,000, Bruce Boxlightner, Tom Baker, Sean Patrick Flannery, Tim Russ, nice and short, all 18 books, start another Burroughs series, submarine, lost world, The Land That time Forgot, Beyond Thirty, airship/submarine, savage ladies that need to be saved, The Monster Men, artificial men, he’s really good, Tarzan Of The Apes, The Return Of Tarzan, first went full Burroughs, his origin story, in America, follows Jane back to America, Clayton, still engaged, gets on a steamship and runs into communist spies, gets to Paris, a Rue Morgue thing, maybe it is you King Of The Jungle, an Arab princes, a stolen stallion, lion hunt, pirates, a lost colony of Atlantis, women are super-duper-hot, a lot of treasure, super-hot sacrificing priestesses, the craziest novel, heavily serialized, The Cave Girl, a nebbish guy, just read books, from Boston, she’s adopted, washed up, French baroness, under her tutelage, they’re all good, back a little bit, wrapped up with a bow, he torches her career, she hid evidence right from the beginning, the most cringey scene, that makes you better, that meme going around, that meme going around, the male fantasy, the female fantasy, the midwit, the idiot and the supersmart guy, Strange Tales magazine, two ladies asking for Robert E. Howard, what’s supposed to be male fantasy, you just have a good enough lens on this, this book is so girl, too long, there’s a lot going on, the archaeological dig, let’s look for papers around the house, stuffing out of the couches, funny stuff, you can’t put it in a movie, described in some detail, offstage, some couches, got his dictionaries out, swam in the moat, they’re treating it like its a serious mystery, a very self-aware book, a little bit like they’re in an RPG, literally how Dungeons & Dragons came to be, I want to have my own character, Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser are D&D characters, big into D&D, walking home from school, storytelling and coming up with interesting scenarios, the diceless part of it, some of the funnest fun books, Choose Your Own Adventure, theater of the mind D&D, this level of detail in the narrative, remember the time we tore these couches apart, as a pure narrative, she needed an editor, novel length, one aspect of the book, the scurrilous journalism in the background, and tourism, they sorta solve it, the sister gets a telegram, a substantial sum, laughin, I hate being a celebrity, the paparazzi I hate you guys, the girl psychology is hilarious, a popular author for a period, in her time, she was not a Doyle, female fantasy, an interesting perspective, there’s a woman in danger, man, don’t run into the woods, dummy, the good reporter, recording seance, it was him along, the seance people, from Chapter 5, golden calf in Sussex, over the breakfast table, inflexible monosyllable, Providence, unless those poachers get involved, the Daily Speculum, funny newspaper name, afflicted family, taken in dense fog, larger than sacred edifice, mainly boots and blurs, portraits of the Monster, heavy type, bandied about, argued about in coffee houses and bars, their exact meaning, spicy murder or divorce, the Sussex Horror, Stop Press, snub them all, the drawing room, playing up the book as being exciting, everybody’s talking about you, influencers, fairly high tech, threw it back, horses, more Victorian, you don’t need that for the story, only if it helps the story, if it is a red herring, female service, being famous, they’re vampires, a really good find, the hand, missing his hand, the hand of fate, the hand of glory, learning about energy exchange, an energy vampire, sending out vibrations, a drug, fame and fortune, reporters all over the grounds, a much more literal thing in today’s society, any level of famous, people who work for youtubers, carry the camera, show off the new makeup, how is thing a thing?, that’s the world we live in now, a pretty fun book, two thumbs up, a solid B, book club, more critical, what’s wrong with this one, some Arthur C. Clarke, put yourself in the shoes of highschool you, The City And The Stars, where it went, the worldbuilding is incredible, a sad ending, ate Luna, we can never be together, maybe contraception didn’t exist, the Anglican church’s the Lambeth conference, gonna do two Robert E. Howards, pair them with other things, 2 desserts of the same ingredients, spirituality and emotional healing, move out of summer, other events, The Tower Of The Elephant and The Tale Of Satampra Zeiros, out all of October, Too Much by Donald E. Westlake, John Jones’ Dollar by Harry Steven Keeler, the first episode of Red Dwarf, White Dwarf, a Jupiter mining ship, 2 lower deck guys, eating from the vending machines, put into suspended animation, three million years later…, everybody’s dead, everybody died from a radiation leak, the last human alive in the universe, piles of dust, back from hypersleep, lonely and going senile, like Douglas Adams, a comedy, full of science fiction, the story should be over, back as a hologram, his own roommate back, every kind of science fiction there is, the shipboard computer, 2 pounds six pence, because of compound interest, Futurama does that, drilling to Hell, so lucky, you can watch Red Dwarf for the first time, some capacity in October, is this great literature, a good read, concerns, tropes that happen, inventive, the 4th and 5th dimension, human consciousness, she’s crazy, I’m a sensitive, I’m a supersensitive, Call Of Cthulhu style investigator, on the level, laughing along with what she thinks is very formal, playful, the most important person in my life, progress.

The Undying Monster

Posted by Jesse Willis

The SFFaudio Podcast #859 – AUDIOBOOK/READALONG: The Eternal Savage by Edgar Rice Burroughs

The SFFaudio Podcast #859 – The Eternal Savage by Edgar Rice Burroughs, (7 hours 7 minutes) read by Mark Nelson for LibriVox, followed by a discussion of both. Participants in the discussion include Jesse and Will Emmons

Talked about on today’s show:
Eternal Lover, Eternal Savage, one of the Barney of something books, the second half Sweetheart Primeval, Barney Custer of Beatrice, a weird publication history, 1915, August 1915, The Mad King, separated, connected, The Mad King, Alex (pulpcovers), also a Tarzan book, written in 1914, Tarzan to come, Lord Greystoke, he’s in the book, the host for Barney and his sister Victoria, doesn’t say anything, an impression of what he would have said, in the room earlier, contractually obligated, I’ll stand there but, a weird stand-in, an easter egg, no strong reason for it to be there, also a book I wrote, you are aware of, Burroughsiana, a weird thing, stuff to think about, Nu is different than Tarzan, a red herring, multi-media universe, all the crossovers, the Burroughs Estate, the Pellucidar series, his own Alan Moore thing, League of Extraordinary Burroughsians, Edgar Rice Burroughs Inc., re-issue in an Ace-Double style with Cave Girl on the other side, big series, a mistake, make a lot of money doing it, he was good at doing that, part of a series but not really, stands-alone kind of, more prominent in, Nu Nu, Nu fitz Nu, having a mating on the nu moon, gotta get your cycles started to pump out some babies, baby, what’s going on with this book, legit confused, what’s going on, all explained in the end, what we actually have here, two books here, one isn’t fully realized, the narrative about Nu’s journey to the 20th century, cut-short, what happens at the very very end of this book, new timeline, last 4 paragraphs, a sudden halt, nothing more to be seen, crumbling skeleton, stone tipped spear, stone knife, stone axe, look!, feeble flame, the grinning skull of a great cat, 18inch curved fangs, Oo!, for his Natul for me, a really good ending, okay, more than 25 by Burroughs, he pointed out something, feel it, feel kinda dumb, they’re always the goddamn same, meet cute, girl gets kidnapped, happens twice in this book, in every Burroughs, really into kidnapping, the reason he’s into that, a big booklength book, he needs to fill pages, a science fiction story, an adventure story, the Encino Man, a white nigger?, not more that 17 times, he’s called that, this means that everybody around him is racist, not real dependable, when all the servants fled, a laybout asshole, using the n-word, what is lie?, so good, really fun, interrogates the story of what we hear about racist, more racist, Robert E. Howard, The Last White Man, bad on a number of levels, the manly exemplar, Barney is a good brother, Lord Greystoke is a nice host, Nu son of Nu, an innocent abroad, a super-muscular man like Tarzan used to be, incredibly muscular, intense, contrasted and compared, they never wrestle, he puts on Lord Greystoke’s clothes, a little too small for him, a direct comparison, take it a little bit deeper, Solomon Kane, the white savage, what he’s like, white savage vs. Tarzan, in this life, acculturated to the stone age, a ranch in Nebraska, it becomes a comedy after a certain point, learns horse-breaking, another kidnapping, a comedy, a Savage who becomes civilized, he was an English Lord, he learned to read, inherent, is even homo sapiens, bit the guy’s neck out, direct message, state tv in Sweden SVT, here are the first swedes, they’re all black, kind of a point, why are all the cavemen white?, what period is this set, he’s from the Niocene, the only thing that comes up is this book, eras, Pleistocene, smilodon and pterodactyls, a tiger in Africa, no homework, very pure for that reason, is this science fiction?, a conversation on twitter, he’s an unfrozen caveman, frozen in a cave somehow, I’m worried about earthquakes, mice and earthquakes, our guy gets trapped with the head of a smilodon, by suspended animation, Heinlein trick in The Door Into Summer, the gases that came in and froze him, a very popular one, 19th century novels, News From Nowhere, Just Imagine (1930), The Marching Morons, wakes up in the future, a Stanley Weinbaum novel, a ranch in Africa, this is my destiny, shot in the head, learns languages, kidnapped by the arabs, arabs and white slavery, super-not Christian, compared to Howard, here’s how I’d have Christ do it, angry about being nailed to a cross, nailing them to a cross!, cave man monogamy, vs. the arabs, sold into a harem, for a sultan, interestingly contrasted, why it is not science fiction, a new kidnapping scenario, yoink!, the girl’s gone, this other girl, infanticide really bad, suicide, stabs herself and jumps off a cliff, used to sudden death, reading any more Burroughs, he does it well, not edified by any of this, because it is old, modelling his mind, got it now, more cavemany, hadn’t figured out grammar yet, moved to Spain, attempt to prove the unprovable about human nature, you and I today, made of wholecloth, no substance to it, a multi-decade mission to get inside the mind of Edgar Rice Burroughs, really against rape, the baby will be uglier, the boat people, hunters are noble, cowskins, they make their caves, seems suspicious to me, superior technology, the whims of nature, what we are supposed to conclude, chivalrous, kidnapped his girlfriend from the past, unfrozen caveman I love you, the man of my dreams, dogs on his side, let’s go after unfrozen now escaped cave man, tear out his throat, cut back to her waking up from a 3 minute coma, made a new timeline, trapped in a cave, the worst thing that can ever possibly happen, transmigration to a past life, Phra The Phoenician, She, all a dream, see the skeleton of a guy, our love from past ages, you didn’t hallucinate the first half of the book, hallucinate the last half of the book, work for hire, where you’re messing up, Victoria goes back to the Niocene, retain her 20th century consciousness more, she’s not herself, flashes she was just in the 20th century, that would make the book awesome, he’s the fish in his water again, how to re-integrate it at the end, the upshot of the new timeline, the previous timeline, suspended animation, not able to meet your soulmate, no genetic connection, Deep Space 9, the Tribbles episode, Bashir and O’Brien are in the elevator, you’re new here, are you a doctor, giving him the wink, gloms on to her name, his great grandmother, otherwise he won’t exist, Time Rider (1982), Edward Page Mitchell, The Clock That Went Backward, the soul transference, Nu always looks like a caveman, same body, barrettes and lipstick and earrings not made of bones, messier hair, bikini made of fur, speak the same language of monkeys, his theory of past lives and the eternal lover, all of Poe, The Raven, is their love so great that it transcends time, Somewhere In Time (1980), they never have sex, except in the fake timeline, maybe had sex with him in her past?, hit on the head, past life remembrance, die in an earthquake, he really didn’t think this through, not a theory of past lives, this is not science fiction, undercooked fantasy, adventure fiction, a terrible genre, Raiders Of The Lost Ark (1981), why?, The High Road To China (1983), the answer is it has the supernatural stuff on top of the period setting, god literally exists and doesn’t like Nazis, the power of the contents of the Ark of the Covenant, don’t apply the ritual properly, not supposed to look at god, he went to Sunday school, what the Nazis want, other adventure stories, ancient Egypt, the power of god in this bucket, a burned hand, do the same thing, it’s got everything, same with Star Wars (1977), Luke Burrage argued it was science fiction, new technology was the Death Star, Star Destroyers and Death Stars, sabers are curved, all undercooked, all works for a child, this all works if you wanna pass some time and have some fun, sad story, it could be, rewrite it for him, cohere a little better, talking to the monkeys, me I’m friends of the monkeys, all the other Tarzan, in some respects, the species that raises Tarzan, not gorillas, talks to lions, Elephants, mean things, vocab is low, elephants are very sophisticated, more Mars books, the surgery one The Mastermind Of Mars, medical science fiction, medical adventure, Conan with his shirt off, standing on a pile of bones, not what the stories are like, one narrow aspect of it, Burroughs construction of these stories, strawman characters, a long tradition, Heinlein doing it, if we have good ideas, if you don’t have good ideas, ambiguous characters, helps Nu get out of bondage, I’m going to kill this baby, should I kill this baby, I wanna kill this baby, ladies driving their kid into the lake, minimize this, invest a lot in our offspring, 18 years, when your parents are no longer involved, kids were getting married and getting jobs at much younger ages, childhood is forever, that is odd, something to look at, be done with the child after 5 seconds, he can just fuck off, the baby literally will die without the mom, cats and dogs, lick up the poop, we have hands, we’re more like birds, or bears or elk, all about the nuclear family, how clams work, the dad is like a donor, goes to get shot, sport, food, most hunters are eating their meat these days, he hunts for food, the head is so he can marry her, in the father’s eyes, in her eyes, her behavior is pretty weird, not fleshed out, Victoria Custer, Nah-tool, this cave man is too horny, not that interesting, Victoria is an adult, how old are these characters?, 100,000 and 16 years old, not a cave-boy, much funnier, a pretty good movie, cave man comedies, lends itself to comedy, the concept, plot points, cave man pocket, 3 rocks to by an Arizona iced tea, why do people like it?, it hasn’t changed in price, its not from Arizona, it’s from New York, Arizona looking, the owner’s wife, a special half ice-tea half lemonade, Arnold Palmer, made it up, licensed him, a little bitterness, something mixed with lemonade, a shandy, if you’re into poison, it was okay, a podcaster recording them, what Burroughs was up to, Under The Moons Of Mars, Argosy and All-Story, a better rot writer, massive life experience, running around writing kidnapping plots, kiss each other, the women have eggs on Mars, the best setting to make the argument, so not science fiction, rockets were a thought in people’s heads, he didn’t have a rocket do it, the Martians in The War Of The Worlds, shot out of a cannon, space travel, chose not to do that, more novel, 4 arm green aliens, red indians that are not indians, colour interested, white apes, there’s stuff there, refreshing to talk to Jesse about Burroughs, deep in their guts, as a child, as an adult, Pirates Of Venus, a kidnapping plot with airships, tunnels, horsemen on the Moon, The Moon Maid, The First Men In The Moon by H.G. Wells, hefty intellectual, a comedy, a business man, giant history of humankind and everything, the original serialzed version in a magazine style on the newsstands, hot chocolate on the back, the formation of the Earth, up to Caesar, not interested in it, not writing the same kind of stuff, war correspondent during WWII, Damien Walter podcast, Feral Historian, The Dispossessed, with Evan, killed him and buried him, keep his bones in a cave, all those we’ve lost, when you read H.G. Wells, even when he’s not writing actual science fiction, not trying to ingratiate, The Island Of Doctor Moreau, a slice of H.G. Wells, him doing Jules Verne, on a spectrum where authors are, where Larry Niven is, The Cold Equations, floppy saggy science fiction, he’s juggling but they’re not hard batons, they’re bags full of sand, his stuff is weightier, communism bad, China is bad, a book which engages with ideas, conked on the head, dream books back to back, Robert E. Howard would have been on Instagram and lifting, suicidal ideation, posted videos of himself punching a side of beef, center of attention, businessman, cozying up to Trump sort of thing, spiritual affinity, real estate developers, sea to lake, orange man neutral, what his retreat is named, looks like it is in Florida, mystique, his grandson, Burroughs believed that all of the stories he wrote were ultimately true, that’s Heinlein too, gets that way at the end, mostly known as a novelist, The Pursuit Of The Pankera, honky, chonky, The Number Of The Beast, diary entries, Hilda Corners, the Barsoom novels, very Heinleinian thing to do, n-dimensional space, intimate tango, a space machine, alternate dimensions, 666, a googleplex or more of parallel universes, Oz, literary places, quasi-public domain literary places, a beleif that’s in your head even if it is only transitory, our worlds, unlike myna birds and cave sloths, an autists, a creed, never learned to talk, talking a vow of autism, a real world, people with autism, folksy, take the article off, persons of the semitic creed, we construct our worlds out of words, some penetration, very unusual, add it to your vocabulary, use it with your friend Will, learn vocab words, if you don’t control the vocab words they control you, you need to know, the manifold is broken, a barrier between the universe, find out what lies are, Lord Greystoke, I have red hair, a theory of mind thing, what the white n-word was, so pure hearted, so stupid, tablemanners and forks, language acquisition, standard Burroughs, what the plot of Robert Sheckley’s Deep Space 9 novel was, supportable, cute, knew what was up, savviness, working for Sears, The Efficiency Expert, the George R.R. Martin problem, Tarzan stories, getting conked on the head element, Tarzan And The Jewels Of Opar, Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes, convert you to spiritualism, believing in fairies, it would be cool if it was real, what’s going on with Musk and Mars, aspergersist, normal cognition, hard to interact with, modelling Musks mind, he really wants to go to Mars, get humans out of the one basket we’re in, poor excuse, imprinted on science fiction early, Kim Stanley Robinson’s Aurora, even if covered in diamonds, the real issue, really cool, cave diving, tour caves, climb Mount Everest, a goal like any other, living on the top of Mount Everest, like Walter White at the end of Breaking Bad, he wanted to be a success, billionaire owner, to prove that, huge mistake, powerful people brain damage, an atrophy thing, deferring to you, three Chicken Dinners in a row, showing tremendous skill, keep ego in check, other things, dude, you aint that great, become disconnected from reality, like a Hollywood celebrity, rock diva, externalize that, would you overestimate or underestimate your abilities, a trick question, I can do things I can’t do, preventing you from doing things you can do, I can lift that, I can’t lift that, ability to lift things, don’t ask for help, a good self-assessment, surgery on my own back even with a lot of mirrors, what if I do it wrong, standing by with a hose, we’re on the airplane, the pilots are dead, fly a plane, they work the same way, more engines, the radio is more difficult than the airplane, helicopter, a motorcycle accelerator, your yaw, the back and forth oscillation, compelling reason, when the engine goes, autorotation, falling at a slower rate, not a parachute, the airbrake, fixed wing aircraft, gliding, as long as you have altitude you have forward momentum, weather, your fine, land on the ocean, flying lessons, working for companies, a rich man’s ambition, to get the license, any kinda school, wealthy eye-doctors, military teaches it, working for a military, asking for permission, ride a bike, swim, drive a car, another thing to learn, very close to new flying car phenomena, mountain home, battery powered, to save weight, ultralight aircraft, make airplanes, under a certain weight, fixed propellers, [Pivotal Blackfly], they don’t swivel, a drone that you’re sitting in, high end dentists, drones as the way into flying cars, Jetson One, a license to ride a bicycle, nobody has a license to bicycle, insurance law, insurance is free money, scooters, mopeds, skirt the insurance laws, electric bicycles, not a helluva lot, electric motorcycle, torque for days, limiters, [electric unicycle], hoverboards, dangerously fast, in 2025, drone license, no seat, Segway, when motorcycles were went they first came out, chariot racing with motorcycles as the horses, Ben-Hurley Davidson, scared of skateboard, faster than walking, rollerskates, a commuter, the scrapheap of coolness, skiing, fun, cross country skiing, snowshoeing, horseback riding, the way you got places, Marissa’s Instagram, she and her man, cross country skiing with her dog, recreation, enjoying nature, downhill and cross country, ski and then shoot, slogging your way across territory, super dangerous but fun, recreation vs. necessity, rich dentist’s recreation, horses on the interstate, nothing drawn by animals, area Amish, everything is hamster, the default, cats were cool, hundreds?, negotiation, respects her feelings, runaway with a boyfriend, smilodon boyfriend, Amazon box, the lifestyle, the behavior continues, not a good solution, semi-domesticated, do better than the dogs, competing for prey, feral life, lose an eye, depth perception, your claws and your teeth, no birth certificate, breaking up the family, she had children, unrelated cats, fixed later, we know better than them is what we’re saying, we’re fixing them, ova-hystorectimy, Millions Of Cats by Wanda Gág, a very old Will and a very old Meg, so very lonely, smoking a pipe, goes on a walk, page 10, that’s a lot of cats, cats and kittens everywhere, all black and white, a fuzzy grey kitten, way down in the corner, too lovely to leave, black and very beautiful, one riding on his head, too many cats, the cats get to fighting, eat eachother to death until there’s no cats left, eaten each other all up, one little frightened kitten, dear little kitty, just a very homely little cat, nobody bothered about me, soft and shiny, plenty of milk, the most beautiful cat in the world, not one is a the pretty as this one, The Cats Of Ulthar by H.P. Lovecraft, H. Warner Munn, about 20 photos, The Lurking Fear, Catskills, remote northern place, interesting, definitely funny, The Shadow Over Innsmouth, a guy who doesn’t know he’s a member of the community, oh and I have heterochromia too, why the mole people didn’t eat him, one eye was blue the other was brown, wrestled with it, this is brilliant, super amazing, really good at mood, he’s one of them, go visit these backwoods people, takes his friend with him, lying in the same bed, the shadow on the chimney, a description of his friend, straight out of The Rats In The Walls, a guy who eats his friend, very muscly, he’s meaty, he’s bringing his family food from the outside, cannibal nutrition, really dig it, Wayne June’s audiobooks, The Thing At The Doorstep, one of his best, the movie, Suitable Flesh (2023), Re-Animator (1985), I like horror after-all, a pure comedy but a horror, army of dead that come and get him, he totally nailed it, a comedy magazine, Home Brew, almost like a zine, during prohibition, the joke is a nod and wink, The Haunter Of The Dark, the church steeple, vibing on it, Providence geography, a mythos story, the scan of Home Brew, the serialization, a peek of what it looked like, piquant gossip, illustrated by Clark Ashton Smith, the trees, penises and vaginas everywhere, how fucked up the scan is, undistorting it, Rhineheart Kleiner smoking a pipe, a complete scan of this, later publications, a secret about Wayne June now that he’s dead, not a fan of At The Mountains Of Madness, deep in his cups, strange hieroglyphics, the narrator is not a Lovecraft character, Scott Miller is going to put out The Call Of Cthulhu, its the one everyone is focused on, all his themes, art, artists, cosmic time, cosmic space, madness, almost the main thing, cares a lot about art and artists, he’s all about the art, The Music Of Erich Zann, The Outsider, “dreamlands” story?, The White Ship, Celephais, Ex Oblivione, reskinned name, Dark Worlds Of H.P. Lovecraft: Volume 5, The Shambler From The Stars by Robert Bloch, mythos or dreamlands, winks and nods, August Derleth fucked things around, big series, take the story individually, not a businessman, he was the opposite of a businessman, conservative guys, near the end, different directions, vital active businessman, trying to be pure, not commercial at all, a poet from the 17th century, amateur journalist, he’s a blogger who wouldn’t put ads on his blog, in the kitchen, Voluminous: The Letters Of H.P. Lovecraft, props, artifacts, a library card, postage stamps, a map, printed collectibles, German expressionism, The Call Of Cthulhu (2005), brain jar, The Whisperer In Darkness, 100 year old idea, that’s what you put on your t-shirt, good last name, change your jar water, they read the letter, that was edifying, a little liberal?, very worried about racism and stuff like that, so prevalent, his personality, dry and comical, funny opinions about things, holding court with his friends, couldabin fun, like spending time with that guy, Margaret St. Clair, my homie, Burroughs, see him at a party, I like his books, Burroughs wouldn’t like me, don’t want to worship Tarzan, Tarzan doesn’t want you to worship him, recruiting blah blah blah, when Hemingway is liberating Paris, his old haunts and liberate them and drink there, they go into the Ritz, please leave the Thompson at the door, go liberate another part of Paris, 16+, the one where Jake Sisko is now 18, war correspondent, Klingons are attacking some colony, an ambulance driver during WWII, Ernest Hemingway, Bobby Derie, Clark Ashton Smith and Margaret St. Clair’s correspondence, after Sir Richard Burton, 1001 Nights, the Lovecraft statement, Smith is largely responsible for liches, the names of his stories, collected fantasies, Empire Of The Necronmancers, Skull-Face, Scarlet Tears, cliche, undead things, the old meaning, in fantasy fiction, The Lord Of The Rings, the barrows in the barrow downs, “wights” – the barrow man, a ghost or a zombie, living dead bodies, something Jesse thinks about a lot, author estates, liches get stitches, Ambrose Bierce, puts you under a spell, who am I now?, that bullet ridden lich in the madhouse, a deeply weird story, the visualization, drive out to the countryside, go down some steps, the movie adaptation, kind of adaptations by Jacen Burrows and Alan Moore, a naked gold woman, a pillar, that elm arched darkness, the glub glub, real sad story, the Pit of Shoggoths, the way Alan Moore does it everything is sexual, a repressed homosexual, now he’s Irish, reinterprets all the stories, recapitulates the stories using one character, Robert Black, all these experience, he gets raped, very Alan Moore, a rape sequence, a man is raped by another man who’s a woman, another adventure, so mean to poor Lovecraft, not interested in women, anti-Burroughsian, not interested in the chase at all, her dad, a good surprise twist, hate Jesse if you don’t like it, a Will accent, from the makers of Re-Animator and From Beyond, Dennis Paoli, get bodies, just to collect bodies, comic and scary and great music, very stylish, winds you up great acting, one of the best movies of the 80s, Indiana Jones first movie, The Thing (1982), Big Trouble In Little China (1986), Escape From New York (1981), see my twitter feed for a long list, a student coming, another Bores story, so lucky he doesn’t even known, In Santiago there was once a dean, a good one 3 pages long, we need a Jesse out there, kinda high level?, is it science fiction?, The Library Of Babel doesn’t fit with Planet Stories, contains both, Jack London, all these dudes, the meeting between Borges and Burroughs, where Burroughs books would be found in the library, I’m blind, an honorarium, the official library of Argentina, the American canon has fucked up, missing the point of reading, not giving him the Nobel prize, do they throw in, The Killers by Ernest Hemingway, realism sort of stuff, guy comes back from WWI, sad ideas, a couple in a canoe, they’re gonna break up, realism literary fiction, he’s really good at it, unnecessary whipping scenes, a monster in the basement, a guy nailed to a cross, back to back, break it up, Mark Twain, Brian Lumley, The House Of Cthulhu, 80s sword and sorcery, favourite Californians, same.

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The SFFaudio Podcast #857 – AUDIOBOOK/READALONG: Ben-Hur by Lew Wallace

The SFFaudio Podcast #857 – AUDIOBOOK/READALONG: Ben-Hur by Lew Wallace, read by Mark F. Smith (22 hours 49 minutes). The discussion includes Jesse, Alex (Pulpcovers) and Tom Pace.

Talked about on today’s show:
A Tale Of The Christ, 1880, Daylight Savings, fall for a story too good to be true, very embarrassed, no one will know how stupid Jesse is, integrity, feel contempt for, “determined to do his own research”, Robert Ingersoll, not a true story, sounds to good be true, agnostic, civil war union officers, Battle Of Shiloh, there’s no substance to it, an 1874 letter, too good a story to not be true, a giant apology book, you should believe in the Christ, an argument against Ingersoll, The Greatest Story Ever Told, The Ten Commandments, suffers from not having Yul Brenner, kinda similar, the guy he was raised with he grows up to hate, Jesus adjacent, if this was a book written 1000 years closer to Jesus, when they show Jesus it’s from the back, reaction shots, the deturion, so many emotions, no water for him, best performance on screen, the 1925 silent movie, the 2016, 4 by 3, the sea-battle, real triremes, bloop, the music, the intercutting, the chariot race, one of the greatest movie scenes ever, Mad Max II, chase sequence, spectacle on screen, coulour and ultrawidescreen, best not to bother, script problems, make it shorter, the poster, in the chariot leaning to one side, farther into the narrative, wins on one wheel, go up on two wheels, adaptations help clarify, why am I loving it, to Rome with his adopted father, pretty short for a Ben-Hur movie, Areus is not on board the ship, just kind of escapes, this is really important, a story about love of the Father, a theme, God, reaction shots, when people meet Jesus, pays him back, almost like Jesus is your best gay friend, caressing the body of Jesus, if you didn’t know it was Jesus, they’re not gay for each other, a barrier breakdown, one of the themes, he ultimately rejects his adopted father Rome, he rejects Judaism in favour of Christianity, a Roman villa, he does become a Christian, a fulfilment of his Judaism, I’ve left the religion of my fathers, a sect of Judaism, a Greek influenced sect, almost all set in Palmyra, he does race in Rome, a lot of time skips, works against it, everything that it is doing is very well done, how they condense the 23 hour book into a 4 hour movie, shortly after the chariot race, vengeance didn’t give him what he wanted, greater than vengeance, ties better as a theme, 5 years in the desert, no longer directly connected, in the 1925 movie, putting that gladiatorial training to use, they dump that, it is kinda wasted, the Judean uprising, Masada (1981) tv miniseries, Joseph For The Temple, a band of young men, a revolution happening, protect the temple, a militia, the temple burns down, can’t stop history, a slightly outside perspective, dig deep into the story of Jesus, a very well put together book, Balthazar, on a separate quest, the three wise men, almost like a parallel story, that connection, the brother story, you feel his betrayal in the movie, a little bit older, great actors, take him away, that sneer, arrogance, Heston acts the hell out of that, fury, betrayal, golden age of Hollywood acting, the heart of that movie, the heart of the book, overwhelming need to love Jesus, bestselling American novel, Uncle Tom’s Cabin, slavery is bad, Esther and her dad, Egyptian, a devotee back and forth, in the background the Moses story, a prince of Egypt, the name, the name Hur is in the bible all the time, that fictional line connection, a land captured by the Romans, explaining religion to Chinese kids, they don’t grow up with Christianity, the New Testament, stories about Batman, Joker, Riddler, Catwoman, Joe Chill, stay outta Crime Alley, the backstory, the batsignal, commissioner Gordon, Robin, you don’t have copyright, Spider-Man or Superman, a bunch of apocryphal stories, back broken by Bane, the other Dick, Nightwing, the non-canon stories, Iron Man’s story, whatever superhero, believe it like an adult, religion book club on sundays, a scene from that book, relevant to out lives today, in a different way, in a novelized form, action, betrayal, leprosy and healing, a lot of meat to think about, the premiere of Ben-Hur, Lawrence Of Arabia, Spartacus, based on true events, Quentin Tarantino shift of historicity, Christ Pulp Fiction, accused of being pulpy, in used bookstores, panned the book, wasn’t the best book, why are books so influential, in 2025, Gaza holocaust, Nakhbah part II, getting Israel happening again, Ivanhoe, The Count Of Monte Cristo, Sir Walter Scott, your family has been buried in a tomb, quest for vengeance, the Jew and his daughter, roasted over a fire by the evil Norman, King Richard, Robin Hood, like super-man or batman, Ivanhoe adds to that narrative, emotional change, back from a foreign war, to his father’s house, alternative girl, knightly towards, represents Romans, conqueror’s class, the opening of the book, etymology, how English has multiple word for pork, swines and pigs and pork, also about slavery, huge in the South of the United States, offered a good picture of what slavery was like, a swineherd and a jester, the Rotschilds family, the Napoleonic Wars, baronages out of it, defeated the ottomans, let’s have this zionism thing happen, Americans in favour of Zionism, Jews need a homeland, traceable back to Ivanhoe, Christians in the United States and Britain, prior Ivanhoe, positive descriptions of Jews, racism, racial stereotypes, positive racism, interesting, loving money, a heroic race, the Sheik Ilderim, played by a welshman with shoepolish on his face, a surrogate father, the history of these horses, stars in the sky, astronomy, arabic names, the mother of the horse, connected to his family, connected to Judah Ben-Hur, weird in 1959, Palestine, parallels the story, powerful but disrespected, a little bit like the Mongol trading empire, if you have a pass, get the khans against you, he comes across great in the book, especially in the movie, brings the arabs and the jews close together, semitic races, leaves his father, until Areus dies, becomes the heir, time with the emperor, the movie improves in some ways, before we got to meet Ben-Hur, 4 hours in, the Nativity story takes so long, where isn’t this biblically accurate?, how is it told?, second person plural, hey reader let’s walk over there, a palace in Antioch, a paragraph of description of what is not described, the book isn’t trying to push through to the chase sequence, doesn’t drag much, a magazine serial about the wise men, available separately, a cool series of stories, it became Ben-Hur, LibriVox, Jesse wasn’t raised Christian, Melchior, Balthazar, and Gaspar, the answer is no, basically the same, thought to come from this place, in scripture, assumed to be 3, the magic number, three chairs, three bears, three beds, three wise men, for convenience, adoring the baby at the same time, two separate incidents, makes the detail really vivid, had the effect, when Avatar came out, went to their therapist, I want to be a blue person swinging from vines, blue Tarzan, 90 minute movies, books were the immersive reality of the 19th century, between the book and the first silent film, huge chariot races live on stage, the medium has fallen greatly, the new media spotlight, totally play the fuck out of a Ben-Hur game, Ubisoft Assassin Creeds, collect tokens, the cutscene when Jesus shows up, then hair, your character’s face, the chariot scene, the galditorial scene, if a church isn’t trying to raise money, an immersive experience, the Message, render unto Caesar, ends the same way?, married with two kids, Egyptian princess, turns out he was jackass, no satisfaction, the race goes on, Masala, a very biblical thing, the competitive brothers in scripture, taken on Roman values, those are real, Roman values vs. Christian values, Nietzsche, slave morality, turn the other cheek, interacts in the modern era, times of conscription, conscientious objectors, into battle without a gun, an alternative way to go, really powerful to see unarmed people hit by police, makes them stronger, give them a pass, Nixon being a Quaker, not that kind of Quaker, deep into that, not a very funny joke, how many of the 13 adaptations you’ve seen, on YouTube, that Jesus stuff being born, shows back up over and over again, the thread that connects and reflects, the 10 other adaptations are The Fast & The Furious, sucessively sutpider, Point Break with cars instead of surfboards, DVD VHS combo players, a viscous circle, could be the same character, blonde Keanu, it’s all about family, hot girls and cars, Antioch drift, we love racing, suped up horse, can’t we have it all, join the FBI, that series becomes a cartoon, cars in space, becomes hot-wheels, Ben-Hur doesn’t do that, two videogames, PS2, Circus Maximus for X-Box, Chariot Wars, Blood Of Braves, big in the movie, not very big in the book, a big climax, another third of the book, movies and books are different, interior scenes are less good, unparalleled, Aureus, sees the rowers, attack speed, battle speed, ramming speed, all these sweaty men, pass out, a parallel scene, another test, this is the background for the Conan The Barbarian movie, killed, goes to a mill and become strong, a little bit of background, this particular rower, his body being symmetrical, why is he doing that?, he’s Jewish Conan, gets the revenge that he wants, loses the girl, being taken away, surviving slavery, coming into the full power, bloody vengeance, Conan has two dads, William Smith and James Earl Jones, snake dad, the body you have, that was me, I’m your father, almost buys it, Robert E. Howard’s Conan as a rejection of both the Roman system and a rejection of the Jesus path, Conan doesn’t turn the other cheek, he’s not duty bound in the same way, master mentality, inference in the book, he’s bought into the Roman system, the peace of his childhood, a brother to this family, why he’s doing that, adopted the Roman values, power is everything, I am the determinant of what is good and what is wrong, when he does it it is not rape, when a goddess messes with his head, The Frost Giant’s Daughter, striking, ultimately Robert E. Howard is not a Christian, never belonged to a denomination, generically protestant, Episcopalian, Baptist of some flavour, not sure about all of this, a great story, Batman’s cool, don’t buy the Batman merch, Superman, Indiana Jones?, gonna have to be me, being Batman, how many guys have been Batman, what are the notes that Charlton Heston committed, Judah Ben-Hur, portrayed 4 times, not all the plays and musicals, because it was biblical, printed and pronounced, Encylopedia of quotations, King Solomon, Ben means Son, Ibn means Son, The Thirteenth Warrior, William Wyler, Marlon Brandon, Rock Hudson, Burt Lancaster, Paul Newman, Burt Lancaster, Kirk Douglas, the supportive slave, a gay scene, thought to be gay, in the closet, the sexiest man, women were very disappointed, The Vikings (1958), rotoscope for The Secret Of Nimh, two rats are fighting, Tony Curtis, Jamie Lee Curtis’ dad, generational, Michael Douglas, young people don’t watch movies, they haven’t seen Ben-Hur, on laserdisc, ultrawidescreen, Lawrence Of Arabia (1962), one of the best things in that media ever, the power of Ben-Hur as a book, Nativity scenes, they have fully adopted one set of values of this son of god, powerful arguments, through Esther, they’re all blending together, a parallel course with Jesus, a regular person (a prince), trials and tribulations, navigate through, a shocking thing, how strange the healing is, he healed a woman in a wheelchair, she had long COVID she’s feeling much better, uh-huh, more faith in Jesus, legitimately healing things, in the 1925 movie, passing the mother and daughter, an in camera tehcnique, a different coloured light hits them, an in-camera effect, red welts, red filter, the wounds disappear, it rains and the storm washes away their leprosy, pilgrimages, a huge part of what’s going on, ache in my shoulder, not for healing, people do it, sometimes things happen, very mysterious, theology properly speaking, the framework of Christianity, divine authority, perform a miracle, the reason the miracles happen is to validate their claim of authority, the loaves and the fishes, not like a D&D cleric, cure light wounds, to be able to forgive sins, I’ve seen him do these miracles, anyone there, a narrative testament story, someone’s account of it, when Jesus was walking the earth, different sets, Dead Sea Scrolls, what’s in the canon for Batman, is he really an alien?, was he raised in Smallville, Kansas town, Metropolis, not New York, not Philadelphia, buying into the story, look at the values he’s espousing, can you emulate those values, as cool as Batman, as independent as Batman, swings, beats up badguys, dressed up as a Spider-Man, what would Spider-Man do?, knows and understands, with great power comes great responsibility, the value set, mysterious ones, contradictory seeming ones, I come with a sword, Matthew 10:34-36, not peace but the sword, what happens to him, dividing people, not everybody believes turning the other cheek is the right way, love your enemies, crucifixes, Hero (2002) with Jet Li, separation is only one part, a transformative system, conjunction, hermetic philosophy, togetherness, Ecclesiastes, the meek will inherit the earth, alchemy, the union of the family, the rebus, a multiplicity, the combination then separation, discipline, the hostile brothers, he divides the house, Judah saved Masala’s life, the falling of the tile, what caused the tile to fall, the worst interpretation, added in zealots, anti-Romans, shot the new Roman governor, the sister leans on one of the tiles, Ben-Hur takes the rap for it, not God exactly, supervise the repair of the roof, Masala investigates the roof himself, he knows what he is doing is wrong and does it anyways, getting into Masala’s head, becomes wealthy, steals the fortune, works both ways, extortion, very mafia like, you pay up you pay down, why Joseph is taking his cousin/wife to Bethlehem, the Nazarene, small town Saskatchewan, the story for the background, a manger, a cave, 4 hour detail, ah ha, mm hm, the key to the success of the 1959 movie, in reflection to Ben-Hur, you’ve become Masala, I doesn’t like that at all, Jungian shadow work, why you something bothers you, Michio Kaku talking, you evil fuck, they don’t care at all, you evil fuck, be the opposite, almost irrational hatred, hatred for Masala, adopting the course of the Prince of Peace, attracted to the story, reflective of real experience, that doesn’t sound like The Prince of Peace, what’s happening in the story, the sister and the mom not wanting to be known to be alive and lepers, they love their brother and son, funny and very Jewish, God cannot be everywhere so he made mothers, suckled and swaddled, this guy in the garage, more hands-offish, a bicycle, you’re going to learn to ride, the god that is your mom, more standoffish father figure, same for girls and boys?, to the maximum extent, in the 1925 movie, when Mary looks at people, people really change, on that donkey, lifts her veil, Mary Pickford, a slow smile, a kindly look, swept away by this divine face, the melting of hatreds and false beliefs, how can we have this effect on people in a magical way, the attraction of seeing Christian charity at work, acting out their beliefs, in a narrative, why this book was super-popular, in the States, sales overseas, Gone With The Wind, Harper Bros. claiming copyright over it, you can tell the story of Jesus because he’s totally out of copyright, anybody can write about it, great ambitious books, the Left Behind books, rapture books, very popular, Tyler Perry, Dollar Parton is a billionaire?, Dollywood, a subset of black people, why is he in this movie, he’s massive, a certain subset of people on earth, The Phantom Menace, podracing, the story of Luke Skywalker, betrayed by his uncle Ben?, there might be something to that, George Lucas as a hack, pick interesting things, steal from the best, everything worked, The Dam Busters (1955), they’re kendo swords, sounds cool, looks cool, what happens to Luke, dangerously overthought, Joseph Campbell Hero’s Journey thing, a mistake, free HBO, pirate television, as a young person, Luke is visiting Yoda, you gotta stay with me, you haven’t done your training, a selfish little twit, following the formula, the refusal of the call, the Campbell arc, forcing it on there, back to that falling tile, divided before that, the breech that breaks them apart completely, the straw that breaks the camel’s back, you’re not the man you need to be, my tool in my new job, one becomes obsessed with the other, condemned to the galleys, within the Conan movie, Thulsa Doom isn’t thinking about that little boy at all, for him it was a Tuesday, younger days, steel was the important thing, you’re not narrowing it down, make money, enslave the children, passes from hand to hand, a Vanirman, buys him from the mill, gives him training, pit-fighter, wins and wins and wins, precataclysmic Genghis Khans, to hear the lamentations of their women, living off of Conan, one night mysteriously, unexplainably frees him, the sheik with his horses, weird freedom, the snakes facing each other, now he’s got something to go do, that is another adventure, this is why these stories are powerful, the “save the cat” books, something very fluffy, let’s do heists, one last adventure, that last Indiana Jones movie, go find a really old book, Dial Of Destiny, we got what we wanted, we wanted more of the same, find other books, reading Robinson Crusoe, as you get older, some decision that we make, Fast And Furious 10, catharsis, go to the book, looking at my books, have you done an episode on them?, Gustave Dore, Pilgrim’s Progress, Thomas Merton, a fantastic book, a philosophy, read the old stuff on the shelf, take a photo of it, thrift shop, a book or two a week, two things, The Eternal Savage, Edgar Rice Burroughs, Recalled To Life by Robert Silverberg, The Tissue Culture King by Julian Huxley, son of the science guy Huxley, Edward Page Mitchell’s The Tachypomp, a time traveling clock, The Senator’s Daughter, a Chinese-Vegetarian party, 1879, a nutzo story, everything about it is science fiction, Return Engagement by Margaret St. Clair, freedom, The Eternal Lover, inter-equal, unfrozen caveman, that Pauly Shore movie, Encino Man (1992), Mark Nelson, Nu son of Nu, sabertooth tiger, Tarzan’s in this one, primitive man against, comely cave-woman, the volcanic horizon, Herman Hesse, Steppenwolf, Cora, wild primeval wolf, bourgeois values, carefree elusive Hermoine, the year we’re on?, Steppenwolf, cowed and comfortable, severe dysfunction, thoughts, alternate realities, if people really want to do it, 1877-1962, a possibility of actually doing it, a show where nobody’s there, this amazing ai thing that just happened, google assistant, google lm, generate a podcast discussion of it using ai voices, in real time, it’s not bad except the analysis is crap, NPR voices, that’s a really good point, unbelievable how good it is, kind a scary, it uses a bunch of tricks, makes us question our everyday lives, rhetorical tricks, make it into a Dr Seuss poem, really great insights, Ben-Hur into an epic Dr. Seuss poem, a lot of text to process, 2 followers, so I met this guy, Arrius adopted son of Arrius, WWII in tweets, a great gag, too obscure, in the 2016 movie, played by god, Morgan Freeman, he’s a moor, the Gladiator 2 movie, in reflection against Gladiator (2000), a grudge against Rome, the plot of Gladiator 2, worthwhile, ships in the arena, mock trireme battles, Maximus’ son, the kid from the first Gladiator movie, Blood And Sand, Spartacus, a prequel, kept going on, goes through that cycle, adopting the Roman mentality, the morality of Roman excess, Batiatus and Xena, so good, so evil, Lucy Lawless, act the hell out, sleaze paperbacks, you killed my family, should I take pleasure in this, rebel against Rome, the war against Spartacus, no super-natural elements, the servile war, happened multiple times, more sexy time, consequences for it all, silent, research and fun, trivia pieces, the score, a chunky book, riding bicycles around the set, The Fall Of The Roman Empire (1964), El Cid (1961), Christopher Plummer, Richard Burton, girls liked Cleopatra, Where Eagles Dare (1968), super-smart and the opposite of evil, the podcast out tonight: Gentleman Prefer Blondes, huge at the time, her personality as we know it today, she’s nothing like that as a person, she plays that character for the rest of her life, the book is not a curse, the movie is a curse, Jane Russell, at one point Marilyn Monroe pretends to be Jane Russell, supersubversive, everything she wants in the end, innocently conniving, be a book reader, Skype is going away, a daylight savings day.

Ben-Hur

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The SFFaudio Podcast #855 – AUDIOBOOK/READALONG: Mr. Spaceship by Philip K. Dick and Mercenary by Mack Reynolds

The SFFaudio Podcast #855 – AUDIOBOOK/READALONG: Mr. Spaceship by Philip K. Dick, read by Phil Chenevert for LibriVox (1 hour 11 mins) and Mercenary by Mack Reynolds, read by Mark Nelson (2 hours 31 minutes) followed by a discussion of both. The discussion, with Jesse, Will Emmons, and Tommy Patrick Ryan, begins at 3 hours 43 minutes.

Talked about on today’s show:
2 stories, Mr. Spaceship, Mercenary, rankings on Goodreads, .1 higher, 3.6 and 3.7 out of 5, Eric S. Rabkin, who liked the book?, very meh about both, better than Prize Ship, in retrospect, one is way better than the other, thematically they’re very similar, so much time in the setup to get to a gimmick, weird set of rules, pre-1900, a glider to scout out the thing, both stories have gimmicks, a ton of time to setup that doesn’t pay off justified by the length, what the ship does, let’s go visit him in his sick bed, let’s have a cigarette, not his best story, Will weigh in, more generous to Mr. Spaceship, socialist labour party, the United States and the Soviet Union are converging, welfare capitalism, the worldbuilding, the sociology, almost like a gadget story, why are we doing this, he kept that part really short, 2 and a half pages, the ethics of the mercenaries, poor people, complete utter misery, they have their tranqs, Philip K. Dick had the better of Mack Reynolds, half the length, aspects appreciated, social commentary, felt relevant, top 1%, feels relevant today, it took 2 pages, so corny, he’s wrong, pretty richa and a little bit enlightened, romances, listen let’s go, he’s Mario, the audiobook was good, the PKD story, he understands the world in some kinda way Mack Reynolds is struggling with, conflicts between companies and unions, war is a thing of the past, in the thrall of it, Professor Thomas, Rick is a name he uses a lot, both synonyms for penis, your Martha, I’m draining my Jesse, institution, talented people, this is all we’re doing, Cold War America, they’re both about war, so petty, reality TV, more like sports, Rollerball (1975), a hostile takeover, it makes no sense, trial by combat, a really good movie, a short story (not public domain), a really good sportsman at this sport, the point of the sport is to bread and circuses the masses, a glimpse behind the curtain, these guys are all fucking us, even less than that, the very very top of society, wow!, an international group, our oligarchs vs.their oligarchs, continental hovercraft vs. vacuum tube transport, the big game, athletes between teams, when is this battle gonna start?, if you’re a military SF fan, all fluffing before the penetration, no battle at all, no deaths, a promotion, riots, batmen watching this show, cancelling the superbowl would not go well, too much money involved, reviled!, common stock vs. actual stock, a personal victory for our hero Joe Mauser, gonna probably get the girl, for everyone else it is a loss, military shit, supposed to be about tv, the exact same world setup, no waiters or waitresses, everything is automated, the real problem in society is meaning and work, why John W. Campbell would have dug this, this communist, in terms of sales, the world building is really good, meh, all aborted at the end, this same setup, Jesse wants to read a series, just messing with you, Utopia: 2000?, Commune: 2000?, Looking Backward From The Year 2000, William Morris?, Edward Bellamy, scarcity of food vs. scarcity of meaningful work, an Adam and Eve story as usual, a little bit psycho, the solution to war is starting over, born in 1928, 10 years old in 1938, rumours of war, actual war starts, 1940, 1941, 1945, he’s a teenager, an endless thing, all war news all the time, war related, victory gardens, Japanese tanks getting piggy back rides, war-infused, not a period in his life, Korean War, students of a professor, we know he’s weird, kept chickens, had a goat, he’s not watching tv and eatin the propaganda, in touch with nature, this stupid proposal, the setup, annoyed with, mode, lectured by the professor, the infodump finally came, it was cute, The Purloined Letter always gets found, the wife, the moon, some sheep, some cows, going to become God, Prominent Author, the old man in the sky who’s a file clerk with a translation machine, written real small, Reynolds over Dick, a real pro, nothing written unintentionally, stuff happens, jots it out, things in there, interesting, insightful, driving around, kinda starts the story in the wrong spot, trying to make money, a little bit psycho, struggles with psychosis, it’s weird, troubled relationship with women, a Dick aficionado, five marriages, longish term relationships, I like you let’s get married, cagey, living in a different time period, you could buy a house and he did, he bought a house outside of San Fransisco, he was a writer that was his income, getting married, he was 53 when he died, only 53, shocking, he’s famous now, line up all the science fiction writers, not in the top 10, since Blade Runner (1982) and all that, this story is no great evidence of his greatness, his bad relationship with his wife, fuck this job, we have a dog, work whatever jobs we can work online, disembodied brain, the reason this story is stupid, no reason, in The Ship Who Sang, a twitter video, dummy calf syndrome, trauma in the birth, the treatment for dummy calf syndrome, after 15 minutes of squeezing, a disembodied brain, fight a war with some aliens that are exploding mechanical ships, the Zerg, the biological aliens, Starcraft, overlord things, brainships, Starship Troopers movie, bio aliens, an inspiration for that group, these ships are being rejected because they have no minds, new technology?, smarter than any machine could be, sensing it, something about making a decision, blow themselves up, fighting fire would fire, what the aliens were like, if he kept his consciousness, cogito ergo sum, Descartes, I can live on, I’m gonna be a creator, repopulate the world, not friends, students, bad writing, we keep looking for contact, a psychological phenomenon, the mine decides to blow up, these characters: meaningless, we have to infer his character for the most part, bad writing, the setup, a disembodied brain in a spaceship, Anne McCaffrey, she’s a disembodied brain, she makes it a romance, a handsome man and a disabled lady, Philip K. Dick is crazy, new space colony, have babies, he calls out Cain, Cain and Abel, I’m gonna be god up in the sky bringing you animals, in Mercenary, our Mack Reynolds, direct messages, a funny looking guy, in his uniforms in the Philippines during the war, the world building, research scientists, why this story is broken, “mufti”, civilian clothes, “fracas”, a whole language to describe the world he’s getting us into, voting day, he’s condemning the United States system as it is, voting is not what you think it is, the high class people’s days, Boxing Day, you cook the meal for your servants, he’s on to something, this particular story and the battle: boring, he’s attacking the United States system as it is and extending it into the future, stories about television, when they point the camera up at the thing in the sky, we also get it reflected with the batman, a television watcher, he’s gonna die, basketball and football, put on the jerseys of their heroes, it doesn’t feel like an attack, a better story than Mr. Spaceship, everybody on goodreads agrees, cringey stuff, how douchey the rich people were, nobody wants for anything, the inequity, the opiate is tranqs, Max M, tranqs don’t give you a hangover, so 1950s, alcohol, addictive, addictive, how addictive it is, the reason people are taking tranqs, socially acceptable, marijuana stores, people don’t pass out from weed, blacking out, smoke dope and walk tv, a recreation drug, negative effects, used to control the proletariat, the world is great, it was promising us a war story, they never come to it, editorial introduction, two roads, the priest and the warrior, Valium, amongst others, broadcast television, boomers, that tv going all day, 97 year old grandmother, more docile, streaming service, The Incredible Dr Pol, veterinarian, medical shows, binge, just like Jesus, consuming, not going out much, trained to do that during COVID, computer games or video games, playing games all day, you could be doing a podcast or whatever?, thinking of computer games as the new opiate of the masses, compared for television, streams are different, streaming services, broadcast television, you watch that channel, like watching the weather, targeted and mindful, a river, turn on the radio while you’re folding laundry, a new season of What If…?, that’s pretty strange, looking at the ipad, listen to a show, scrubbing the toilet, logistical concerns, walking across intersections looking at their phones, putting away dishes, listening/looking, the action sequence, zoning out, vegging out, couch potatoes, conspiracy theorist friends, rich people want to get rid of the proletariat, so they don’t get overthrown, the love interest, her desire to deal with the overpopulation problem, very Thanos, endgame, a farce?, no-good, election day is tops, just as good as an upper, the one day, everybody has everything, the Roman bacchanalia, parroting back the line of propaganda, we should have a revolution, things don’t work like this, the Sovs, political idiosyncrasies, do they have this in their world?, this future look, capitalism, communism, party members, Joe Mauser, talking to the gal, motivation, trying to get rich, get promoted, be a priest, getting shot at and possibly killed, civil war technology and conditions, boys like fighting, hitting each other with sticks, an atheist, religion distasteful, equating his rise, gotta be the top, cleverness, how he’s talked up by the others, I’m awesome, Joe Mauser’s goals, impressed, very interesting and clever, I wanna be rich, he wanted to be in the top, kinda means that you’re rich, a true capitalist society, today’s world, he’s gotta plan, an unwinnable battle, the highest status, why the girl’s right and he’s wrong, we don’t know anything about her, radical, doctor, she likes Joe Mauser, let’s go talk about goals, if you look at the illustrations, television related, the underlying target, good enough for Dad, you won’t catch me talking about the government, People’s Capitalism, too deep for Max, everybody owns the corporations, we’ve got one optical illusion, the proletariat owns the means of production, the party hierarchy, who can become a party member over there?, commentary elsewhere in the story, only elites can become party members, socialist labour party doctrine, bristle about, natural peace, Westworld, not prophetic, the current president of the United States, they’re not Sovs anymore, we aren’t living in an evenly distributed post-scarcity society, UBI, Andrew Yang, an idea going on back to the 50s, we have mass production, the real problem is overproduction, destroy, can’t we just have more approriate production, a planned economy, vs. an unplanned economy, Colossus/Guardian, Colossus: The Forbin Project (1970), bomb proof robot, Guardian and Colossus merge, the humans quake and quiver, the end of the book, and the movie, the second book, two more books, Italian SpiderMan, respect women, make me a macchiato, Australian, competeing views of Marxism, where does he say the Soviet Union is evil, you gonna get in the glider, Soviet observer, SALT, send observers, seems totally legit, the Russians would send airplanes over the United States, the 90s?, we’ve fallen a long way, our leaders have, the misleaders, a weird world, a peaceful life, future stuff, a big schedule, time to read Ben-Hur, omelette, Watchmen, V For Vendetta, At Mountains Of Madness, what’s on the schedule, The Ship Of Ishtar, the preferred text?, 345 pages on faded page, a massive undertaking, 7 hour book, another pair, more Silverberg, Recalled To Life, and Burrough’s Eternal Savage, Jewishness, a little bit nuts, Pulp Archive, they are from different peoples, the tweet, english language literature, useful associations, Chicago Fantasy: Weird Tales, Narnia and Hogwarts, Cimmeria and Miskatonic, another example of parallel fantasies, different themes, different peoples different stories, the quote tweet, struggled to be included as Americas, not everything’s about America bro, Jewish relatives in Britain, Jewish relatives in Canada, Canadian national identity is so weak, even a shithead Zionist like Seinfeld, Christmas isn’t a thing, got to the Chinese restaurant, very similar, delicious, the idea behind it, Jewish fantasists of the secondary world kind, offended, something about the word, people get worried about the word Jew, the main thing that is going on, there is only this world, when you got to bury a Jewish relative, a very different philosophy, they believe, wait for the afterlife, the messiah hasn’t come yet, [Jesus was] a cool guy, he hasn’t come yet to Earth, do Jews believe in Heaven?, whatever they’re afterlife is, Jeremiah 33-34, the new covenant, heaven or not, believe in something, Dante tried to describe it, the concept of Hell, so vindictive, what is next is a little less certain, a BBC one, reform Judaism, the afterlife is here on earth, a transitory place, so much focus on being a good steward, orthodox Judaism, this approach differs from reincarnation, yeah maybe, Valhalla is a big thing for Pagans, Stovokor if you’re a Klingon, Commander Sisko is mad about it, Weinbaum, Silverberg, William Tenn, Harlan Ellison, Asimov, he’s got hell in his stories, science fiction goes hand in hand with Judaism, really into fantasy: Mormons and Catholics, how come that is, Jews are different, Tolkien and Narnia guy, fantasy: often magic is in play, Gandalf is more or less an angel, a chorus of angels, sing the world into existence, in Harry Potter it’s genetic, a token Jew in Hogwarts?, the Old Testament, Moses can turn his staff into a snake, Avram Davidson’s The Golem, Ukraine or Smolensky, Robert E. Howard, a robot, a knight from the lower class, an Irish knight, there’s no class stuff there, they’re never going to be in the upperclass, famous exceptions, the downtrodden, we can’t have a fantasy of life in the next world, antithetical is more likely, dallying in fantasy, wouldn’t it be cool if I was secretly a wizard, apprentice to that shoemaker, something to this very interesting article, John C. Wright, a self-published authors, before the purge, maybe both of them, Silverberg and Burroughs, Scott Miller, The Lovers by Philip Jose Farmer, Recalled To Life, American science fiction’s greatest living author, Drug Themes In Science Fiction, Bleekman’s Planet, a chariot race, a very Jewish book, Lew Wallace, former Civil War general, former governor, most influential Christian book of the 19th century, a quarter of a century into this century, barely lived in the 20th century, born in 1984, so funny, it’s a Brave New World, going by the year, do the math, good birthday, a recurring event, Professor Thomas, go off in your brainship, snow is all gone, an earthquake, rare, the tires on the car, Port Moody, really wavy today, 4.7, weird things the earth can do, live on a spacestation, fed through a tube, you’d take an orbital ride just to check it out, veterinary visuals, William Shatner, how empty and lifeless it was, your bones stop generating calcium or whatever, an experience, expensive and dangerous, until Elon Musk goes up, we are going to be on Mars, government money on the way, quick trip to space, cowboy hat, famous unfamiliar, like a party, Jungle Scandals, under a pseudonym, horny Tarzan, sell things to markets, a future opportunity, write for your own self, a story about a belt and snake and bowl, a bear a duck and a goose, people in the room and randos on the internet, not very Jewish of you, very protestant, sword and sorcery, the reign of Henry VIII, a heretical nun, some dragons, symbolic dragons, these are dragons and they’re cool, Trogdor,, Homestar Runner, Reign Of FireDragonslayer (1981), steal the scales, very different, the quality of everything has taken a shit all over, Planet Comics vs. Planet Comics, [Fiction House] very pulpy, the text stories in there, more like hero pulps, Tarzan born on Jupiter, Call Me Joe by Poul Anderson, read by Mike Hodel, library card, “world literature”, The Song Of Roland, Damien by Hermann Hesse, Matt Taibbi, Walter Kirn, pirated and up on YouTube, a Russian short story called The Fatalist by Mikhail Lermontov, you remind me of a character in Lermontov, A Hero Of Our Time, the embodiment of the Byronic hero, “interfering with out elections”, much to consider there, a really good journalist, the Twitter files guy, the FBI and the White House, Musk got mad and revoked his access, he’s not a white man, English language newspapers, the drunk guy: Yeltsin, a professional basketball player in one of the Stans, The Exile, Twitter used to be a more interesting place, he’s a drummer, straightforward and interested, old fashioned muckraking journalist, his free podcast, Damien Walter, both talk about literature, pretty obscure, journalists are, interesting funny guys with lots of stories, interviewed for the New York Times, labour journalist, freelance writers, more polemical than journalist, J-school, non-profit goon, where journalists go to cash in, Uzbekistan, the Mongolian [Dennis] Rodman, born in 63, when people talk about stories, listening to The Broken Sword by Poul Anderson, being very Jewish that day, there’s something wrong with their brains, reading a lot of Sword & Sorcery, random contemporary story, this is actually really good, speaking in poetry a lot, a brave choice, that’s ambitious, doomed to fall in love with his sister, eww, I’m like an amoral elf, too Christian, reconstruction, Paul has read it thrice, Will is historically a protestant, a few bibles in the house, the Good Book, a little drunk, what are the best books in the English language: the Bible, names, begats, rules, don’t cook a goat in his own milk, the first one, Genesis is fun, folktales, Exodus, Judges, Song Of Solomon, the horny one, Ecclesiastes, the Psalms, people should a read it, a good session, pick up your Bible.

Mr. Spaceship by Philip K. Dick

Mercenary by Mack Reynolds

Mercenary by Mack Reynolds

Mercenary by Mack Reynolds

Mercenary by Mack Reynolds

Posted by Jesse Willis