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The SFFaudio Podcast #883 – AUDIOBOOK/READALONG: Virgin Planet by Poul Anderson

The SFFaudio Podcast #883 – Virgin Planet by Poul Anderson (2 hours 35 minutes) read by Alex (Pulpcovers), followed by a discussion of it. Participants in the discussion are Jesse and Alex (Pulpcovers)

Talked about on today’s show:
Venture Science Fiction, January 1957, the expanded book version, not a fix-up, 7 mars stories, how much more expanded is it?, one real scene added, laketown, another town, Burkeville, all the same woman, they all think the same because they’re all the same woman, kidnap the man, added sentences and paragraphs, twice, a new version, great interior illustrations that enhance the story, what’s in the text, one pronunciation error, “quay”, weird etymological one, on the water, the armour, cuirass, first audiobook, not too long, 6 days, editing the file, long pauses between sentences, tightens up the narration, go yell, clip this out, no barking is aloud, stop barking, Jesse gets his mean voice out, c’mon mom, this house was not designed by me, insulation in the ceiling for a recording booth, soundproofing, a scene early on, it wasn’t super clear he was nude, fun writing, quite deep in the book, a kilt malfunction, what’s wrong with your kilt, later cover, fits into the standard 60s sex novel, so much of the book interested in having sex, titillation, the premise is great, describing the premise to Eric [S. Rabkin], after 300 years, some parthenogenesis, clone of themselves, early feminist novel, a science fiction novel, Herland by Charlotte Perkins Gilman, a nation filled with women and no men, some sort of disaster and men weren’t available, nature finds a way, Jules Verne explanation, a plateau in South America, hot air balloon, much more like a utopian novel, how money works, not a lot of militancy, corpral maiden, horspur, horse bird?, like that game Joust, massive infodump, worldbuilding, Freetoon, picturing a lot of this, a really fun animated movie, the story being told is a bit bawdy, adultish story, Heavy Metal but with less guitar and more laughs, an adaptation today, porn version or feminist twist on it: and that’s terrible, play this straight, part of the fun of plot, a planet full of virgins, I need to get out of here, giant animal, a lot of ladies in here, crushed by the corpse, stuck under, completely soaked in blood, it’s metaphor or something, not twins, cousins, just clones of each other, a scar on the hand, at the end of the book, rolling dice to see who goes with him, what if I just kept both of them, here in the future, they’d just kill each other, hinted at, makes those thoughts, Twins/Two Much, identical females and one man, the same sort of jump, not in the Westlake book, he was a cad, the women end up winning, the women are deciding which one of them has the man, whichever one of them wins, he had the grace to blush, turning him into a woman, having a lot of fun with this book, books by him that people love, The High Crusade, wrapped up in a sci-fi space story, killing ladies, courtly old fashioned, not exactly a letch, I just need to help them out, let’s go ravish a planet full of women, a comedy, a funny situation, all the excitement of this silly world, moons and eclipses, a good sense of it, seas and the mountains, the plot once it gets going, a tour of the place, a tour of the society, the highlights, this isn’t a utopia, what would a society of all women really look like?, nowadays, how do women do things differently, different in some noticeable way, war-like, peaceful, how are women’s prisons different than men’s prisons, women in mobs, talks his way through the mob, function differently, council kinda stuff, a thesis there, very interesting, tribes and defenses, conflict being the control over reproduction, gender flip everthing, a gender flipped Conan movie, She Is Conann (2023), he didn’t like it, no fixes needed, she wasn’t sure if she should stab him, gender relations between males and females, they’re all mothers, we never see them mothering, young and pretty, a crone, there are children around, for a sexy adventure story, a brief 70 pages, like a lot of other utopian novels, a sequel novel, ova fusion, they’re not using a machine, ultimately if we were to overlay a thesis on this book, not trying to make a big gender politics point, reactionary, what’s a man, a male human, a controversial point, him being a monster, unpleasantly narrow hips, men have beards, if this book has a thesis, they’re better off together, full of men, one woman comes to a planet full of men, how did that happen, it’s not going to work, in our society, the dialogue around issues related, those poor men, those poor women, baby formula, they’re fucking mammals, hundreds of thousands of years, scenarios where it helps, on a planetary scale, the babies shouldn’t be breastfed by their mothers, wetnurses, probably just as good, probably just as good, cow milk, goat milk, infants can’t, how mammals work, no other mammals, you don’t know how mammals works, cloaca, lay eggs, they feed their babies through regurgitation, copy their parents, the premise makes it fun, perfectly good execution, natural production, fun surprising, good scene, expand this very differently, drug store, if you don’t have a date on a saturday night, the Galaxy cover, Barbara, she’s in the cage with him, naked on the cover, women looking in, defiant, is that’s a brass bra?, not it is an iron currias, moons high in the sky, made the geography match the metaphor, a Yavin 4 situation, looks cool, Endor is the same way, in the Bible, most print stuff is more sophisticated, moons are female, oceans are female, suns are male, not a popular position, men are scientists and engieers, women reflect the light of the man, sounding like Jesse Lee Peterson, destroys them by asking “what is a man”?, are men smarter?, in some ways about some things, engender certain behaviors by men, on a moon, named it Atlantis, sunken in the sea, objects in the sky, giant jupiter like planet, Jupiter is male, 4 big moons, Io, Ganymede, the 4 Galilean moons, who’s the biggest of all the gods, 3 are female, 1 male, freaky for us, in the sky there’s a big looming object they can’t get to, Atlantis bound, not exactly mermaids, a society developed apart, the Little Mermaid, the Baen Books one from the 1980s, polished up, wearing pants, a lot more like Joust, shiny jewels that reflect light, Clyde Caldwell, the first 60s one, she’s leading him away, he’s got a smile on his face, a better cover than either of these, how suggestive it is, a scene that happens, nobody’s smiling, the Venture cover, defiance and stare, the copper top, a chance to describe something that doesn’t play into the fun, not a polemic, not a reaction, Heinlein could have written this book, political ideas, a perfectly Heinelian, very heterosexual, wants to transition himself, not a political tract, within that 1950s tradition, Cosmos Science Fiction, crashed spaceship, women standing militantly, long gloves, cover their hair, carrying a whip, all the men are smiling, they kinda liked it, July 1954, Bernard Safraan, a Poul Anderson story Teucan, is it on the PDF Page? [it is now], a lady in the background with a whip, jailer’s keys, a swimsuit, epaulets, what is this about?, a similar story, part of the same universe, psychotechnic league, other stuff, The High Crusade, a famous fantasy novel, Aztecs in space, Ensign Flandry series, wrote some Conan, all the Conan pastiches, an evil reptile god reigns over Stygia, Conan and Belit, a gatefold?, the publishing industry, with regards to the fantasy novel, not Jesse’s top tier, other guys, Alex is a science fiction guy, art wise, all the Asmiov books, a mistake, Nightfall, way not good, expansions are a mistake, the idea is amazing, annoying and drawn out, what I read science fiction for, take a scenario and build a story around it, Rendezvous With Rama, a planet where they’re never night, The Golden Slave, historical sword and sandal, turns out to be Thor, late Roman, the yellow one, ladies flanking, lipstick on, the only thing that makes it science fiction is the word planet, Paul [Weimer] loves it, Three Hearts And Three Lions, fairies, the wild hunt, one man, what he’s doing, norse mythology, a modern 20th century light, everybody thinks its awesome, the thing we’ve been experiencing is cast in a new light, isn’t that what we want, kinda interesting, pulp grinding out author: Ray Cummings, Sargasso Of Lost Starships, Sargasso sea idea, Brain Wave, Vernor Vinge, zones of space, what if elephants are human level intelligence, turn the retardation beam off, Flowers For Algernon, make it planetary, not-species specific, a balancing act, aliens but they make a huge mistake, reverse crusade, stay the fuck out of England, [The High Crusade (1994)] Egyptian assistant, John Rhys Davies, pretty funny, very ambitiously, I’ll do anything for a dollar, pulp covers and paperback covers as the gateway, the door into, interest in these books, endlessly scrolling, a Blockbuster or video rental place, new releases, new Tom Hanks movie, the knock off movies, a mix of sex and mystery/thriller, erotic thrillers, they tell you what genre it is, a lady standing behind some blinds holding a gun, more cleavage, Joe Mantegna and Mimi Rogers, a 90 minute thriller with a twist, the key to appreciation, seeing the little twists you can do, a book is a much bigger commitment, even the best book, that investment, one of the promises you get with film you don’t get with paperbacks, a Steve Buscemi movie, an Adam Sandler movie, that thing you either hate or don’t like, make it a series, Conan the Whatever, subject to the whims of whatever writer was licensed, a lady with a whip, a rocket ship, a moon in the sky, symbols for the ideas that will be explored, pulp cover art is the clickbait of the past, trying to sell you the thing itself, similar patterns in youtube thumbnails, solve the problem as readers, what to read, stop looking at the art and start looking at the name, TOM CLANCY!, CLIVE CUSSLER!, keeps writing books, written by some other dude you don’t care about, Lawrence Block book, consistent quality, it’s a dog, a good dog, maybe Shakespeare, but they’re not really comparable, a war between the people trynna sell us stuff and us trynna figure it out, on the ferry, ai art on the cover, just give up, some artist spent 25 minutes working on that, even the fastest was a full day, and they did a prelim first, trained artists, you want the figures in this pose, cranking out, the text, the price, have to do the work of transmitting the idea beside the title, a book with a dragon on it, fixing boats, mushrooms, the one with the dragon really sold it, The Hobbit, rewarded in the book with the promise being true, he’s invisible, a power fantasy, excitement fantasy, #BrassBra, keeping count, #KetchupAndMustardGetup, why are these ladies wearing red and blue and yellow, you have to have it bright and shiny to attract the reader, you have to vary it a little bit, red shirt this month, black vest, to make it shiny enough, strawberries draw your eye when they’re red, the colours that pop the most, our attraction, a planet of all women, lipstick means something, not blue lipstick generally, lady cyborg is fine, absolutely successful book, not the greatest author in history, if it is not a home run it is a bases are loaded book, definitely a good one, send more stuff, who would like to do this one, hopefully less free time, sit around and record audiobooks, a really good hobby, a couple of Horror Stories, Flesh For The Goat Man, I Am The Tiger Girl!, I Am The Love Slave That Slapped Hitler, the vocabulary, am I pronouncing this correctly, Poul, hard to pronounce, he never says his name, what the interviewer says, we interact through these books, some old guy at a mechanic’s shop, going to an orgy later, a Myrna Loy and William Powell movie, The Thin Man (1934), Love Crazy (1941), a kissing book, alluded to, he had to convince her some more, she was a fast learner, nothing like that, not a women’s romance book, a comedy of this fantasy, mens’ adventure, Philip Jose Farmer, a little bit repetitive, what would really happen, he would just rape people all the time, Edgar Rice Burroughs needs more murder and rape, The Green Odyssey, a similar setup, sort of medieval, hidden away high tech, an odyssey across this landscape, gets kidnapped by a queen who treats him as a sex slave, she’s got bad breath, more fun, it’s shorter, for the fun, about being fun, you can have too much fun, approaching the end of the book, promises, the gun on the mantelpiece, gonna get used later, we feel cheated, you need to fulfill it but not on screen necessarily, come back with 100 men, all satisfied, prurient for the women and the reader, the promise was made, it’s not contradicted so it is fulfilled, ruining a story by a part 2, all done, drag out the action a lot, a good story that makes promises and then fulfills them, that’s what makes it good, more commercial interruptions, how they made Television Events, Dune is a good example, added in, sometimes removed, make it an extra hour longer, fit the particular format, judge these two, paperback vs. original, the novel (expanded) version, a couple extra paragraphs, noticing women, women noticing him, a little more description, a town of all clones of the same woman, this is super creepy, reflects on the rest of the plot, an actual chapter, the flashback chapter, how he got there, trynna argue, doesn’t add a ton, easily naturally lends itself to be naturally expanded, the first 3rd of a bigger book, a few expanded scenes and a couple of new scenes, top 20, he can do good work, nothing that annoys, an exploration of this fun little idea, in the style of Heavy Metal, 8 hours of this, and yet, the wonderful thing about about the narrated word, discovering what’s happening by the text, there’s no picture, playing with the text, suddenly realized, very PG-lite, could be very R, not creepy at all, just fun, world of women stories of the 1950s, an anime in the 90s called Vandread, sci-fi in space, two civilization, all women and all men, colony ships, each think of the other as the alien race that they hate, political theorizing, anime logic, for Japanese teenagers, fighter piolots end up being captured by a ship full of women, something to unite them, the robotic aliens are actually earth, harvest organs, unobtanium problem, an ACE book, she’s wearing lipstick, cyborg purple, World Without Men by Charles Eric Maine, the human touch, that’s coming, the robot will pronounce the typos, you’ve seen that word a million times, the robot has no shame, food made by a human who likes making food, EMSH, good at what I do, they had forgotten what men looked like, breast coverings, paint, bralet, sclera is green, in a world of one sex, a happy normal, well adjusted to her work, the control and broadcasting of news, a strange body found in the arctic ice, rewritten for today, ran headlong into the murderous censorship, all female, the greatest crisis in history, one of the most brilliantly different novels, totalitarian lesboocracy, scroll through it, the text is fun, sliding glass door, effeminacy, processed it years ago, fairly chunky, this is part of the fun of the paperbacks, lady with no shirt but purple hair and green eyes, if this is for me, the 47th chromosome, love was an unnatural affair, a little Brave New World, mass deception, only motive for continued existence, never control, another damning statement, hitherto untouched, ranked with 1984 and Brave New World, it’s important!, an actual scan on archive.org, certain times of hysteria, obviously fictions, sterelin, clinical product if such there be, parthenogenesis, mystical implication, feel the need, sell me more, on the other hand it is a sex book, I’m a doctor, I’m a medical man, salacious topic of the day: mostly lesbians, a guy wearing leather pants, a bon mot for the title, a lot of our children are suffering, very retardedly repressed times, Pluribus, Vince Gilligan knows how to make story, a throwback, kind of Invasion Of The Body Snatchers, a different twist on it, a little bit of Contact and Interstellar, big long wordless sequence, no text, a Conan comic a couple years ago, just Conan and a wolf and they fight, nobody mangles themselves into a conniption, books of text you can’t have a wordless sequence, the magic spell is created through the words, a writer/movie maker, what the hell’s going on, I see you are getting into this airplane, 20 or 30 minutes of this, that makes sense, we feel smart, incredibly rare for television, Rhea Seahorn, it’s for her, she’s very good at it, writing autobiographically, why is she a lesbian, him and his brother, more than 1 gender in a story, reason for the conflict, some other life outside of this, the main character is a lesbian, doesn’t supermatter, murdered or killed or whatever happens, a romantasy author, pornographic text for women, scenes, a background, book tour, alien invasion of the earth, metacommentary on the genre, genre familiarity, a science fiction idea, an episode of Star Trek, back down to a planet, everybody gets effected by a pollen that makes them happy, Kirk loves his ship, getting angry at them, apple person or not, look it up on Pirate Bay, a lot of fun, fun recording it, solid, quay, key, florida keys?, the French, sandbar, an archipelago of some kind, Flordia could extend farther south, Two Much, Fire Island is a sandbar, Manhattan goer, long island and such, erosion and movement, fun settings good books, good geography, include you in, slop some pigs, goose some geeses.

Virgin Planet by Poul Anderson

Virgin Planet by Poul Anderson

Virgin Planet by Poul Anderson

Virgin Planet by Poul Anderson

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Reading, Short And Deep #527 – If I Forget Thee, Oh Earth… by Arthur C. Clarke

Reading, Short And Deep

Reading, Short And Deep #527

Eric S. Rabkin and Jesse Willis discuss If Forget Thee, Oh Earth… by Arthur C. Clarke

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If I Forget Thee, Oh Earth… was first published in Future, September 1951

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Reading, Short And Deep #525 – The Silent Colony by Robert Silverberg

Reading, Short And Deep

Reading, Short And Deep #525

Eric S. Rabkin and Jesse Willis discuss The Silent Colony by Robert Silverberg

Here’s a link to the story |PDF|.

The Silent Colony was first published in Future Science Fiction, October 1954

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The SFFaudio Podcast #877 – AUDIOBOOK/READALONG: John Jones’s Dollar by Harry Stephen Keeler and When The World Screamed by Arthur Conan Doyle

The SFFaudio Podcast #877 – John Jones’s Dollar by Harry Stephen Keeler (29 minutes) read by Brian Dirkx for LibriVox and When The World Screamed by Arthur Conan Doyle (1 hour 2 minutes) read by Ben Tucker for Librivox, followed by a discussion. Participants in the discussion include Jesse and Scott Danielson.

Talked about on today’s show:
The Black Cat, Amazing Stories, with Amazing art, serialized in Liberty Feb 23 and March 3, in The Strand, Professor Challenger stories, The Lost World, rotundness and anger, Malone, stands tall, The Disintegration Machine, The Land Of The Mists, contact the dead?, spiritualism, finding dinosaurs, Alien Voices, Leonard Nimoy and John De Lancie, The Invisible Man, Wells and Verne, everybody knows Conan Doyle for Sherlock Holmes, a 1000 steps down, serial characters, not as popular as Sherlock Holmes, the shadow, full colour illustrated, the worst Challenger story, the premise, the story was filled with details about digging, from a weird perspective, a 10 page story, hears about someone else’s invention, he makes a bet that dinosaurs still exist, Around The World In 80 Days, he is the central character of this story, the idea is much stronger than the story, the fun part about it, The Poison Belt, a gas that’s gonna kill the planet, doomsday, delay the inevitable, oxygen cylinders delivered, his wife, an asshole to everybody except for her, she’s really nice, we have a mat and a something else, clean your boots very thoroughly, respecting his wife’s domain, survive it, they go outside and everything is dead but they’ve survived, dead people everywhere, they all were just in a coma, they’re just tall tales, the way Superman stories work, the problem with X-Files is the continuity, that should really change the world, he drills into the brain of the earth, it spouts up a geyser of stink, shakes the whole planet, these are science fiction tall tales, Conan Doyle’s odd beliefs, the fairies and the spiritualism, you hear things about people, the accepted narrative, the article about fairies, doing that for a lark, you can say things facetiously, take it out of context you can be misquoted, how Sherlock Holmes works, The Sussex Vampire, its a more mundane gothic reveal, there’s no supernatural in Sherlock Holmes, after WWI, we might have been misled on that, his biographers, people had a hate on for Orson Scott Card, never noticed him being a raging asshole, a slight difference of opinion, we’re allowed to have slightly different opinions about things, I really like roses, zinnias are much better, in the context of Houdini, Houdini vs. Conan Doyle, they were friends, debate over dinner, celebrities of the period, Lovecraft and Houdini, ghost wrote for Houdini, The Cancer Of Superstition, purchased by some collector, if it ever comes out, a big round fun character, they’re told from different perspectives, prescient, people in little squares, every zoom call, one of the students was tardy, really cool, we invest $1, destroy capitalism, the Fabian socialists win, could have been 10 minutes, a very small idea, March 21, 1988, you left 17 pounds fifty pence, hoarded it for 3 millions, you and Norweb, 180 billion pounds, April fools, Red Dwarf, a joke inspired by this story, the compound interest story, own everybody’s wealth, doubling your money, 3%, far enough into the future, what we’re told about bank, is that how your bank account works?, you go into cold sleep for 40 generations, do you expcet the money will be there just as promised, the institution, they’re managing your wealth, this fee and that fee, for the privileged, 2 stories, the first sentence or so, they’re both tall tales, told stories, how to get a job, economy and education, wait a second, the people saying it were completely wrong, something about banking, obvious, they always leave out, what is money?, working on the money theory?, is money food?, money is just what humanity has agreed is the common tender, growing the carrots, six rabbits for 1 carrot, a car, direct trade, this abstract thing, not a pound of silver in the bank of england, silver has inherent value, you think it is valuable, just like my beanie babies, a jackson pollock to play the game properly, still unbelievable, who mints the money?, we’re told, almost zero, what kind of money are we talking about, zeroes and ones, the bank, i wanna live in a home, I would like a home, you need a mortgage, they lend you some money, you have created money for them, they leave that out of the story, the reason the money supply is growing, a billion dollars, $100,000 a month for the next billion years, It’s A Wonderful Life it’s in Bill’s house and John’s house, Pottersville is the world we live in, they want to lend to Blackrock and Vanguard, you are person who rents, Blackstone, the fantasy that’s told in this story, a Fabian socialist wants to improve the world, the last sentence, had been born, a person who owns everything, we’re designed to answer the question, The Lady Or The Tiger, reading the story subversively, told the story about compound interest, a lime crush and Battlestar Galactica comics, that’s way in the future, testing children with marshmallows, that’s MK Ultra, susceptibility to being controlled, try that with a cat, with dog, the more cookies pile up, dogs are like MK Ultra humans, we tell them what’s going on, try it with a wolf, which is smarter the wolf or the dog, the border collies are the smartest dogs, we programmed them to do that, might be readable as do you actually believe this, the boy doesn’t show up for his class on time, I don’t beleive you, Siri is it true there was a power outage?, they all look the same, they all wear horn rimmed glasses, they’re all babies with glasses, worst zoom call ever, this history, the University of Terra, naive Jesse wouldn’t notice it is told the same way in Red Dwarf, the chessboard and the grain of rice, a grain of wheat, you don’t understand the power of doubling, not enough rice on the planet, this is a math fiction story, the crazy part about it, we get sold by ideas like this, this is how we get tricked, I should invest some money in my bank account, if this goes on the curve becomes vertical, the singularity, vertical is impossible, a physical impossibility, infinity, why Math is not as important as they make out, Math is not our world, we use it to describe, a whole philosophical box, self-consistent, All You Zombies, a completely self-consistent story, the unmarried mother, the bartender is the main character, telling it to make the story, how ever other person has a slice, eventually there’s no molecules of pizza left, cutting carbon atoms from the fluorine in your pizza, but you can do it with a circle, a huge impact on people, flipping through Instagram, isn’t this odd, where a hurricane is going to go, much simpler, the eclipse through math, the hurricane is complicated, how many bodies involved are involved in the hurricane, social phenomena as mathematical, handwavium that away, 1776, a line in that play, the promise of America, boomers, you could be a fairly decent fuck up as a boomer, not true for most people after, Gen Alpha, just save $100,000 by living with your parents and working at McDonald’s, those stories lead us in the wrong direction, lied to about geology, no dinosaurs in the oil, saying that for real, there are fossil plants in some coal for sure, made out of the same stuff, we are told this is a fossil fuel, an alternative theory of geology, a giant living organism, Stromboli exploding, volcanoes, out of them come a lot of carbon, carbon dioxide, the non-biological creation of rocks, the Greeks, thought or said, amber was the tears of Apollo, probably tree sap, giant tree sap out there, a biological rock, at least some coal is biologically created, diamonds are pure carbon, not made in the bellies of worms, it seems to be coming from the earth itself, life happening, life getting into every nook and cranny, where does a tree get its mass from, the mass of the tree comes from the air, when that tree falls those compounds are in the ground, deposits, natural places, plant life has gathered, now we have coal, animal life for billions of years, the decay of these animals in the earth, the wikipedia entry for petroleum, what we’re told, abiogenic petroleum, an alternative mechanism, mid-1850s, abiogenic sources have been found, the controversy is over how much exists, abiogenic petroleum exist, that’s why it is called fossil fuel, different kinds of coal and different kinds of petroleum, cars converted into woodburning, add an oven to the back of your car, designed for gasoline, we can make trees into plastic, ultimately the earth has carbon in it, magma and lava, mostly carbon, this carbon cycle we all know about, getting the earth’s pimples, the world is some kind of being, a flesh and blood being, a shelled creature, all self contained and curled up on itself, its not like it’s a guy’s brain, shaved skin, a living thing, skinned animal, an echinus, a sea urchin, how do they exist, what does it feed on?, the ether, we dismiss the ether as something fun, doesn’t exist, where we sweep all the problems, ethereal, the reason we want it, light as a particle and a wave, a rock in a lake, through the medium of the water, water has substance whereas ether doesn’t, if that were the case, how can we detect ether, that sounds fun, I’ll read that story, it solves a problem it doesn’t explain things any better, maybe we just don’t understand what we’re talking about, that’s fine, then that means all the planets also have that possibility, we’re the fleas discovering we’re on a giant dog, there’s no godliness to it, not a thing of worship, not like Mother Earth, seems like we got blood here, Big Trouble In Little China (1986), special elevator, wizard: the black blood of the earth, you mean oil?, skeptical, a really good science fiction writer, monsters in the upper air, The Horror Of The Heights, airplanes are still new, people crash, Amelia Earhart sort of thing, giant jellyfish, the upper atmosphere, a place we can’t reach, previously deepest drilling, Professor Challenger, challenging the theory, plate tectonics, magma and hotspots, good story badly told, enjoyable, zipping, how to drill, a good science fiction story, the big idea in it, off on a tangent, that’s what you do for the story, what if?, his harshest critic, the earth was hollow, the moon is hollow or not real, the Moon was a hazard to navigation, reading it subversively, Eric, Just Imagine (1930), 50 years in the future, unfrozen, wakes up in the far future of 1980, a number for a name, eugenics has made everybody better, no teeth, big heads, tiny bodies, a great improvement, how did our math equation go off, the economics of Star Trek, there’s no money in the future, what do you gamble with if you don’t have money, not even holosuite hours, Engineering Economics, how things are funded, try to learn it, how things could be different, imagine a Star Trek world, what the economics of such a world could be, the ideal thing is everybody gets what they need, access to crayons and desks, enjoy their art, a lot of hate for China, official hate, jealousy driven, they didn’t fuck it up, in the late 80s?, China went to Japan, what that doing was was opening up lots of banks and having them lend people money, their lending officers are not there to help you, to make their economy incredible, more lending officers, make every possible business happen, his own factor, let’s give him some money, really good at horsewhips, the relevant experience, you mean like old fashioned, rather than to extract value, whatever we’re doing we’re doing it wrong, disinvestments and extractions and scams, crypto tanked, I’m trying to take it okay, the way out, just another scam, bitcoin is not like that, bitcoin is math, the other ones are mathplus, the whole thing is just imaginary, enough people want it, based on nothing at all, let’s pretend there’s an earth, the easiest amount of gold, the deeper you drill, true for gold, true for bitcoin, prime numbers are a real thing and kind of unpredictable, less and less frequent but more findable, a finite amount of it, theoretically infinite, more and more scarce as you approach infinity, South African rand, British dollars, you shouldn’t buy bitcoin, you should mine gold, exactly the same as numbers are imaginary, universally checked by all the miners, a replacement for the gold standard that went away, the money doesn’t inflate, inflation is impossible, there is no extra money, in our world, banks make money out of nothing by lending money they don’t have, only theoretical when they lend it out, a real problem in our world, money in their vaults equal to their lending, theoretically why paper currency came into existence, most banks issued their own currency, you trust the bank has that in the vault, a silver dime, they took the penny out of circulation, the copper is worth more than the penny, debasement, start adding lead to the gold, where this inflation comes from, what makes a lot of people mad, told to be mad about bitcoin, the only real crypto currency, shitcoins, all pyramid schemes, backed by the math, if your trust the math as you would gold, not as something to invest in, real dollars and buy bitcoin is a way of keeping the value, a condemnation of the currency that it is fleeing, 2014 or 2011, the guy who fixed Jesse’s windshield, a bitcoin wallet, your computer is on and running cycles in the background, milibitcoin, little grain of gold, an alternative to currency, there’s no lender, banks are subsequent development to trade, pay your taxes with my face, they mint that up, the goal of bitcoin, Satoshi Nakamura might be an ai from the future, a science fiction idea, come into existence, not in any other story, the creation of a digital currency, the particular bank owns it, letters and numbers, what a happy couple, wild stuff, educated a little bit, a little more cynical, it was fun, what did you think about the tech?, the viziphone, prescient, describing zoom, a literal piece of chalk, educators, teach trades, automation in specific, practical, how do you do the things, what’s a motor, what is electricity, expertise, have done these jobs, expertise at the college, spread out further, what we do, teaching in the zero hour, before school starts, a high school teacher at every highschool, manage the classroom, we’re present while they’re doing these labs, it’s definitely working, we’ve got a formula that’s working really well, train them every summer, help people on site, experts there while the highschool students are doing the actual things, if they have a question, engineering vs. science class, something went wrong, we have to move on, the light should light up, competency based education, moving at an asynchronous pace, the person struggling gets more attention, people who breeze through stuff, a lot of 1 on 1 attention, the problem we’re trying to solve, effect more people, a lot of openings and good careers, work that creates satisfaction, your work is satisfactory to you because people are benefiting, professors doing science, a history professor, all theoretical, damn you and your stupid ideas I’m drilling!, two different approaches, Professor Challenger is a better teacher than the Professor bobblehead, checking on the one student’s story, 3214 vs. 3221, 7 years in the future, the Philip K. Dick estate, for copyright reasons, their logical, we haven’t colonized mars by 1990, they think the novelty of the story is tied up in the dates, different ideas, Godzilla Minus One (2023), representing destruction, almost a metaphor for the war itself, what happened to our country, Godzilla Vs. King Kong (2021), the shooting, the action, Kirk holding his chin while he considered whether he raped that woman as a clone or not, transference, focused on the short hair, not noticing her personality, better than a plain old saucer, the stories are the thing, Galaxy Quest (1999) had that, love it at that level, the captain’s quarters, a thread about the coffee cups, she’s a yeoman, sprayed silver to look spacey, Kirk looks at her ass, he’s holding it up to his lips, no garbage cans on the bridge, they yeoman never comes back to take the cups away, they eat them like an ice cream cone, focused on the wrong thing, get the story in there, make sure it is a good one, a lot of bathroom time, Strange New Worlds first episode, in old Star Trek they’re on the planet after the opening credits, lying in bed with his lover, Captain Kirk had sex, why is he so space horny, the point of the story, gold after gold after gold, pretty debased bro, some fun episodes, do you want fun though?, Peacemaker is fun, The Suicide Squad, fun and enjoyable, Tramp Abroad soon, 4 hours vs. 16 hours, easy going fun, take her easy.

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The SFFaudio Podcast #876 – AUDIOBOOK/READALONG: The Tower Of The Elephant by Robert E. Howard and The Tale Of Satampra Zeiros by Clark Ashton Smith

The SFFaudio Podcast #876 – The Tower Of The Elephant by Robert E. Howard (1 hour 23 minutes) read by Mike Vendetti and The Tale Of Satampra Zeiros by Clark Ashton Smith (31 minutes) read by Tommy Patrick Ryan, followed by a discussion. Participants in the discussion include Jesse, Scott Danielson, and Cora Buhlert.

talked about on today’s show:
Smith’s 1931, 1933, paired, Weird Tales authors, big 3, big 4, thieves stealing things from places, things not going according to plan, a tweet, art from both, who thiefed it better, Howard, had read the Smith before, 25 years now, maybe more, a few other things too, badgering about Conan, really good, over the last 4 years, sword and sorcery, really liked it, good introduction to Conan, a good story, with one caveat, no girls in it at all, more interesting character, Red Nails, People Of the Black Circle, Queen Of The Black Coast, old fashioned language, perfectly harmless Conan stories, stray racism, stray anti-shemitism, pro-cimmerianism, trying to cancel Astrid Lindgren, Pipi Longstocking, great children’s book, the audience for that Star Trek babies show, isn’t quite what you were expecting, of these two stories, which one is the science fiction story, literally an alien, stapled to a couch for 300 years, other planets, not surprised, if he was less Cimmerian he would question his sanity, the tones are very different, a pair of thieves into a forbidden building, one of them dies, with no great jewel, a horror story, a cosmic horror story, Tsathoggua, an inklings situation, an Inkling situation, Seabury Quinn is the big fourth, correspondence, Robert Barlow, Frank Belknap Long, H.G. Wells was in Weird Tales, Tennessee Williams, the people on the cover, Clarke would be one of the big 4 of something else, takes the cover, doesn’t have scantily clad women, Galactic Journey, Margaret Brundage covers, got quite grumpy, naked woman on the cover, strategically placed, less than 5%, scantily clad ladies, all academics, Owen Barfield, Charles Williams, Texas, California, Rhode Island and New York, except to go to Mexico, and New Orleans, re-qualification, San Fransisco, using the mail, reading each other’s stories, corresponding, not exactly an inklings situation, C.S. Lewis, writing for money, elderly and sick parents, stuff in the 1950s, a pulp story, chapters, the whole last chapter of the book is a nice delicious infodump, the fight in the bar, what kind of men are men, Gundermen, a city of thieves, Yara is a thief as well, a pot bellied Nemedian, Taurus, Poland maybe?, Zamora, Turkey?, Hyrkania, Russia, Ukraine, an analogous, the tower, our guy who’s bragging, to teach women stealing, a Kothian, hooked nosed shemite forger, he wants to sell a particular woman to a shemite, a slave of another race, he stalked her and got her, a big story about bragging and what being a man is, why has no one broken into the tower, the conflict, Howard doesn’t do this, semi-unconsciously, getting into a fight with Lovecraft about what’s going on, civilization vs. barbarism, Howard is massively affected by this, a completely corrupt city, carry swords openly, a beef, the only killing Conan does of a human, a Nemedian who’s already on the job, inaccessible towers, with winged people, pre-cataclysmic land, lions, tries to betray Conan, Conan figures it out using Sherlock Holmes style techniques, what eventually is not a pay-off, escape the city with a bag of gold, what do we come away with?, he doesn’t walk out with a gem, some insight into Conan, a mercy-killing, compassionate, Yag-Kosha, torturing him, blind, drugged stupor, he helps Yag-Kosha, a man of a certain thing, The Ten Commandments, very biblical, Solomon Kane, old testament characters, physically gets the Staff of Solomon, this proof of God’s power, A Song Out Of Midian, Mt. Sanai, Christianity, civilized long settled people, intricate and complex, formulas and rituals, simple and understanable, Crom was their chief, gloomy savage god, gave man courage at birth, kill his enemies, literally engaging, the perfect god for atheists, The Vale Of Lost Women, lovecraftian monsters, from the outer dark, essentially miracles, fights the god, that is victory, man can fight a god, he isn’t writing this because he’s trying to make a philosophical point, he can’t help but put his stuff in there, a minor debate in Conan The Barbarian (1982), a haze of bewilderment, all touched in the head, low tolerance, ideas about life, I live, I love, I slay, I am content, sits around and listens to philosophers a lot, how many angels could dance on the head of a pin, shaking your head, up their own navel, religion students, teachers of religious education, translated 500 different times, what’s going on, which is the better story and why, the Conan story, very enjoyable, a mythic depth to it, it’s cosmic, a Lovecraft feeling, came to earth in China, Ganesha, this is what I need you to do, take my heart out, squeeze the blood on this gem, ancient ancient stuff, in The Odyssey, Tim Powers’ On Stranger Tides, instructions, strums the guitar strings, biblical and beyond biblical, from the depth of the human consciousness, differing philosophies, read both before, deeper, more mythical, a great story, funny, what happened was, got on the internet, excited to meet other people, an early forum, Scott Lynch, The Lies Of Locke Lamora, KGB Bar, Asimov stories, rude, that’s true, way to stupid, a collection, appreciate it more, the executioner, dark but hilarious, some guy who was a jerk, ultimately you are on team Conan, an incredibly important story, rogue thieves story, definitely important, Boston Blackie, Dunsany, the first one in fantasy, the template for Fafhrd and The Grey Mouser, we like the Conan more, the different philosophies, engagement with the world as it is, having that idea, rug pulled, The Mirrors Of Tuzun Thune, a much gander aspect, race and borders and stuff, how to be in the world, except for the story and the experience, we come out of the story with a greater awe, comes out with a missing hand, meets a monster, a genuine monster, into a circle, the same temple, things in particular, 3rd person, the author giving his opinions, that’s a mistake, all sorts of clever, early in Conan’s career, The Frost Giant’s Daughter, the names of the characters, he treats his characters very disposably, usually keep the main character, background characters always change, Turuz Oomphalious, Tommy [Patrick Ryan], what kinda accident, sounds like a real name, both of these are jokes, less than zero, omphalos, navel, also a circle, they’re thieves, thieving to be luxurious, fur bikini, enjoying the thievery, that drunkenness, decadence, a repeated motif, loves describing the colours of the materials, the materials themselves, the sensual experience, literally lost his hand, writing with his sinister hand, the story as it is, the tale of everything, the shrine of the god, the jungle taken suburbs, hyperborean rulers, one giant sentence, what kind of guy, violet juice, rubric, on strong vellum, made of the skin of the mastodon, some lying legend, a warning letter, the colour of the ink, he is an aesthete, pleasure seeking, touched in the head, a response, a little more like Taurus, he enjoys the spoils of his takings, the king of thieves, too much rich food, drunken burglary, own everything nice, The Hound, they steal art, they make art, their art is horrible, hounded to death, go in to steal something, round and round, lives to tell the story, his lesson was not learned at all, why we love reading Clark Ashton Smith, Conan’s motive, a very good question, the whole point of Conan, the viewpoint character, we want to be him and we want to have this experience, they’re doomed, the characters don’t survive, the luxuriant growth, as you approach it, snakes, other animals, and bats, a doom, walking towards their doom, they’re fools, Conan is Robert E. Howard wrestling with the world, people would come at Jesse with religious stuff, figure out what’s going on, how do you defend against their arguments, comes in cynical but open, asks his questions, a famous line in this story, that’ Heinlein line, armed society is a polite society, from outside the city, the Karen mentality, grateful and thankful, the thing we hate in ourselves, we need to be a certain way, in the end he comes away with a broader experience of the world, that is the payment, a young Conan, newish to civilization, very curious, an atheist, he’s anti-religion, a religious region, books about theology, he’s doing his own research, he’s arguing with them, A Witch Shall Be Born, crucified and survives, a betrayal story, every movie, even the Solomon Kane movie, he’s a philosopher, he’s wrestling with something, it’s not always Conan but it is always Robert E. Howard, women shouldn’t trick you into wanting them and then take your money, his takeaway, what if everything’s fake?, literally wrestling with things, Xuthal Of The Dusk, The Slithering Shadow, responding to gothic fiction, rejecting it, how to avoid becoming weak, he came to earth, a rebellion on their planet, jungles of China, the names are not great, his apprentice, oversteps, builds the tower, a story of betrayal, I have to stand on my own two feet, own bootstraps, ultimately we know what happened to Howard, don’t do that, pay his bills, caregiver for his mother, a double funeral, his father, slow to pay, trapped in this house, his girlfriend had gone off to college, is she really dying this time, he wanted to kill himself, the excuse, untenable, let’s be careful, a long life, he drank a lot, got married late in life, stepchildren, he did his art, he cultivated his garden, this amazing vocabulary, very strange for thieves, the stand-in for these characters, trying to make art, the putative author of the story, it’s navel gazing, he knows what he’s doing here, sensual pleasure, the problem of existence, existential philosophers in the form of sword and sorcery stories, steals to survive, jewels he kept, find yourself a husband, crazy socialists, civilized lands, next to warehouses full of grain, cuthroat capitalism, super loyal to his friends, young thief, mercenary, pirate, he’s everything, the man in full, 16-mid40s, a mistake to think about how Conan is, what is this character come away with, a sense of awe, wow, how are we supposed to feel about this mercy killing, honourable and terrible, Robert E. Howard’s position, frontier guy, dogs and horse being shot, too injured to continue living, a hypocrisy there, one of the pacific island wars, head blown open, what do we do?, the cameras are here, of course you’re going to shoot him, everything that happens is horrible, you sorta need to have a reason external to you, what it has to be is anti-dogma, thou shalt not kill (thy self), he’s trying to do good in the world, harms all of us, his friends are all sad, not gonna make you happy, a choice between these two stories, we are told to reject the story by Satampa Zieros, that’s why it can’t be compared, much tighter and more complete story in terms of unity of effect, what Poe would be talking about, it nullifies itself, it tells us to reject it, there are immense possibilities, first fighting dinosaurs, a nested dug in on itself society, the sun’s bright, how different they are when they’re really quite similar, why do Sherlock Holmes stories work for us so well, crusaders stories?, why do we like his writing so much, of they’re not stupid ideas, so distinctive and iconic, even though he’s great, he’s always going to be third tier of these guys, his ambition, tend my garden, make things beautiful, the colour of the wine, all surface, all pleasure, older than Robert E. Howard’s, at least one word he made up, abroad already in the half light, the poisonous looking fruits, malign attention, he is a thesaurus, adamantine, pecuniary depletion, it means purple, his vocab is better than everybody’s, he literally didn’t forget his words, come away with vocab words, Hyperborea, a place of his, greek for far north, Averoine, Poseidonis, Zothique, Ziccarth, he get’s a second story, absolutely isn’t, a pretty weird one, The Sword Of Welleran, The Theft Of The Thirty-Nine Girldes, chastity belts, elephant revenge, 1,001 Nights, The Black Diamonds, two kids grow up in Baghdad, always meals, has them have lunch, he’s playing with himself, his own version to 1,001 Nights, his imagination is running wild, Spider-Man or RoboCop or Peacemaker, Abdul Al Hazred, towel on his head, cosplaying, pretending to be a pirate, spears, he had a lot to live for, he would have been wealthy, H. Beam Piper, lived into the 1980s, he’s funny too, the humour is in the boxing stories, Breckenridge Elkins, the only book is on LibriVox, a mountain man, he’s so strong, exaggerated fun stories, Sailor Steve Costigan, not a bright guy at all, an amateur boxer, there was a demand for boxing, railroad stories, Action Stories, Fight Stories, a better market, more Howard, space em out, $0.99, they’re all the same, they’re all good, when Lovecraft reviewed the Clark Ashton Smith story, very Dunsany-like, The House Of The Sphinx, we come into a middle of a scene, there’s something out in the woods, a 1 page story, the house is falling apart, what is he doing in this story, a bookstore, in the lobby was a sphinx, Egyptian sphinx, designed to prompt you to figure it out, being very playful, to be playful, the connection, comes away different, enjoys the names and enjoys the joke, the luxuriance, it’s soapstone, wealthy aristocrat, no electricity, not selling to the same magazines, the author and their art, Michael Crichton, a literary connection, Travels, The Andromeda Strain, dedicated to Arthur Conan Doyle, engagement with literature from before you, Atlantis, Lemuria, trying to engage with the ancient, out of the bible, out of other stuff, mediocre writing that comes and goes, engaging with tropes, the save the cat formula, enemies to lovers, really popular, modern writers, they’re not engaging, they liked Firefly, you don’t have to read this old stuff, they draw on everything they’ve read, Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Greek classics, took Latin, Caesar’s Gallic Wars, religious education classes, same five parts of the bible, quite annoyed, don’t ask questions, it should be, pulp authors, literature, mythology, religion, made teenage Cora go to religious education, Jezebel, transliteration issue, stole a bible, they’re designed to be stolen, here’s a question, walking around to hotels, leave a copy of the Robert E. Howard’s stories, an amenity, if you look at his manuscripts, backs of hotel paper, paper is expensive, designed to be stolen, hotel shampoo, the sheets on the bed, towels, pocketed stuff, everybody is a Clark Ashton Smith character, not going to happen, whoever the Gideons are, public book shelves, compare the translation, crime novels, little free libraries, in demand, other books were still there, crime novels, two crime stories, Midsommer Murders, NCIS, speaking of crime, reading Howard as a teen, how dare he kill that Brythunian, read a western, everybody is out to kill everybody, some piece of media, horribly immoral, they’re stealing as they go through the countryside, everybody in the city is a thief, when Conan steals, people who can afford it, poor farmer, from wealthy people, terrible people who have deserved it, human trafficker, deserves is not the way of Jesus, violent American trash, complete nonsense, a transgressive thing to do, Conan, Rambo, and Rocky, fifty years old at the time, sympathy, Nancy Kress’ Beggars In Space, reject it, what is being promulgated is evil, doesn’t happen very often, not connecting, a visceral this is evil, Slan is kinda evil for the same reasons, put sympathy in the wrong place, I am better than you, evil stories, on a podcast about it, refuse to watch shows, the death penalty, never watching this show again, 24, torture, a terrorist somewhere, children committing murder, Adolescents, radicalized, ahistorical, age control of the internet, see weird things online, atheist can’t have evil, how are you defining evil, god as the source of morality, dragging this out, important, as written in the move, not really a commandment, you have to, pre-the Israelites, virtuous pagans, a graven image, the KJV, some are uncontroversial, describes the Ark of the Covenant, of heavenly things, strange gods before me, take the name of the lord god in vain, remember the sabbath day, the same one, days of the week, the next one, honour they father and mother, respectful unless disrespectful, thou shalt not kill, armies kill, just war theory, you shalt not murder, when he gets married, thou shalt not steal, rob from the rich and give to yourself, Robin Hood, apparently not, the way they get out from under Pharaoh, fine get out of here, curse on the first born, lambs’ blood, we all know what steal is, when Blackrock does it, the number one, don’t lie about what people did, thy neighbour’s house, thy neighbour’s wife, set up these stones, the turn the other cheek stuff, old testament times, Jesus himself was asked, he didn’t say all of them, love god and love each other, a condensation, ordering your life where god is first, from that ordering of your life, this turmoil, this chaos, this idiocy, evil, makes the rest of it less important, in the proper ordering of things, willing the good of another person, jealousy fades away, good for you but also good, that’s a bad idea, causes strife, people living together well, in-groups, monotheistic and abrahamic religions, Hindu or Buddhist, pretty universal rules for living together well, Edward Page Mitchell, the best early science fiction writer, a fantasy, a Bangsian fantasy?, the rapture, a scene in it, pile up all the gold that they have, the heavens shakes, the roof comes off of the world, lit on fire, Moses is up on Mt. Sinai, down in the valley beneath, a golden calf to worship, revelry, Moses comes down and he’s really mad, throws the tablets at the golden calf, it zaps, elide it, got the tablets back, Raiders Of The Lost Ark, is that the same gold?, if it is, it is more interesting that way, a whole lot of different stuff to explain the story, 30 years of Moses’ life is absent, putting it all together we have to do a lot of inference, it’s immutable but very mutable, Edward G. Robinson, that’d be good right?, the Judas of the group, motivated by gold, we fell enriched, but we literally get nothing, we should raise money, nothing on tv, they pull open the drawer, a faith in the book, a faith in the word, the word remains, something fun about that, a notch deeper than that, Jesus is the word, bored in hotel rooms, single rooms, parents’ magazines, parents’ books, micromanaging commandments, when and how to have sex with what, giggle giggle, indulge Jesse, semi-interesting story, this one church has the Ark of the Covenant in there, exposed, maybe it is radioactive, we did our own raiders of the lost ark, [iodine] fight the radiation, how much does that effect us, translate it, we decode it, thous shalt not own a Tesla, surprising!, draw human blood, older fragments being found, the Gospels, the older fragments match, controversial content, what books included, what books aren’t, the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Judas, the Christians have got something cool over there, an argument or a possibility that is always out there, the oldest existing, when a new translation comes out, Hebrew or Greek, as accurate as possible, interpretation, different readings of passage, better not to have the tablets, imagine we have no doubt that it’s the actual tablets, that’s impossible, what’s really true is the story, as a film, Moses is put in the river by his mom, the prophecy for Oedipus, very similar, the ending is the Israelites leave Egypt, not a destiny doom thing, by the power of God, why is that so central to the idea, the parting of the red sea, a series of coincidence, read this as mythological, the Greek response to reality, the innovation that makes it powerful, Lewis’ conversion to Christianity, Tolkien had a part of that, these stories are mythological, this is the myth that’s true, the more interesting reading of it, these are not supposed to be read as actual events, scrutinizing the videotape, scripture only, the genesis story as literal, these stories were orally told through time, the details are not long there, the important points are hit, wowed the audience, Bros. Grimm stories, relating actual events?, yes, anything older than Abraham, the story of Noah, a cool movie to see, this is what it says, Noah (2014), a spiritual aspect to them, god helping you through tribulation, the historical aspect, the story they told themselves, Egyptian records, historical characters are in there, black Americans in slavery, the story of the Israelites being freed is a big deal, a deep thrumming, a Jenny (Colvin) word, either or both, Augustine goes through Genesis, meanings, in the year 300, these days aren’t literal, the number 40, a poetic word, a lot, many, not the conventional way, to sophisticated for how stupid we are today, important to understand what was being written and to whom, lamb of god, meant something specifically to the people of the time, we don’t have the symbolism, if we understood the symbolism, the story would make more sense, a cat on a rooftop in the Hansel and Gretel, very specifically a bird, broken by modern interpretation, Cinderella, a corruption to turn it into princesses, the original Grimms, the original grizzly versions, obsession with stone babies, cautionary tales for young women, why doesn’t the wolf eat the girl in the forest, and her lunch, he get’s into the grandma’s bed, what was the woodman doing there?, retold for a modern audience, very artificial sounding, Bros. Grimm: Demon Hunters, young women, nurses and nannies, aimed at girls and young women, The Iliad, Yul Brenner, Moses, his accent, The Magnificent Seven, Westworld, while he’s sitting on the throne, Priam from ancient Greece comes in, the King of Troy, we can get a timeline, Hollywood edition, smart and educated, a strange film, Cecil B. DeMille, a narrator throughout, and then this happened, Charlton Heston’s hair, an easter egg for us, Trojan War, the Jews are doing this over there, Midian, how would he know about that, very cool, much more interesting and public domain version of the MCU, terrible language, The Fantastic Four movie, Mythopoeia by J.R.R. Tolkien, fun as heck, when next are we three meeting again?, the links are there, science fiction and science fiction, hiking, full on the weekends, if not then, then, spread em out, did we ever do anything by C.L. Moore, we did a big show on it, Stefan Rudnicki, Skyboat let us use one, bye.

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The SFFaudio Podcast #874 – AUDIOBOOK/READALONG: The Shining Pyramid by Arthur Machen and The Body-Masters by Frank Belknap Long

The SFFaudio Podcast #874 – The Shining Pyramid by Arthur Machen (50 minutes) read by Ben Tucker (for LibriVox) AND The Body-Masters by H.P. Lovecraft (38 minutes) read by Darrell T. Smith, II for Quasar Spectra, followed by a discussion of both (beginning at 1 hour 28 minutes). Participants in the discussion include Jesse, Scott Danielson and Cora Buhlert

Talked about on today’s show:
The Unknown World, 1895, 1935 issue of Weird Tales, late 1934, you don’t see the connection between these 2 masterpieces, not like twins, are these twins?, what if one of them is the black sheep twin and the other is a cyborg twin, both supposed to be weird fiction, not published in Weird Tales, a lot more like science fiction, infamous Weird Tales editorial, what Weird Tales publishes, didn’t have any of the words yet, some schizm in Weird Tales, one is set in the present, one is 5000 years in the future, oddly obsessed with the 20th century, behaving like a Babylonian, exquisitely contrasted, sun pool, hair and eybrows, seized by slim hands, help me out darling, more appropriate, an adorable form, boyish rapture, set IT down, the disc in her bosom, implanted a fervent lingering kiss, pneumatic lips, letters and numbers, J78, a patient on a surgical table, men and women won’t really change, husbands are still gonna get divorces, could have sold this to one of the science fiction magazines, early Astounding, a bit to much sex in it, prudish, not really well written, very fun, kind of silly, it’s interesting, genuine attempts to envision the future, women in the future will still not work, live in the suburbs (a 55 story building), the world city, the influence of Metropolis (1927), sex-bot, 1st sexy robot, Maria from Metropolis, a lot of Long?, unusual, kind of famous for being a disciple or friend of Lovecraft, The Hounds of Tindalos, 1929, how much weird fiction have you read, Lord Dunsany, a really fun story that’s pretty badly written, like a cartoon, it’s funny, phonographs in people’s chests, at the world’s fair, Elektro, you have to coordinate your questions with his answers, surviving footage, you can’t have sex with, him it would be dangerous, Robbie by Isaac Asimov, contrast it with Machen, The White People and Other Stories, little people, a series character, a detective character, weird detective, occult detective, like a Sherlock Holmes story, The Hound Of The Baskervilles, the answer is: little people, this is the opposite of a gothic, mysterious perhaps supernatural experience revealed to be natural, classic Scooby Doo, haunted playground, old man Withers, phosphorus all over the dog, very bad for the dog, a murderer on the loose, what girl is saved in this story?, she was lost? or sacrificed, lost or kidnapped, sexual element, we have to read it that way, tame in its descriptions, not exactly rape gangs, people who are gonna wreck things, about WWI, The Angel Of The Mons, having visited, The Bowmen, huge cemeteries, warning signs, don’t go off the path, unexploded little people, full of little people, gnomes and so on, they’re garden gnome sized, my little people aren’t evil, The Great God Pan, Ballantine Adult Fantasy, more like Frankenstein, a scientists doing experiments on a girl, to see beyond, if they don’t know anything else, very dark, loss of an innocent girl, brain surgery experiments, do surgery just the right way you can see beyond the veil, the gland surgeon, if you remove these, demanded, they’re not living in a democracy, hormones, what glands do, behavior modification, Doc Savage, a reality, lobotomies, one of the Kennedys was done, Rosemary Kennedy, politicians, disabled by a lobotomy, considered a slut who was sleeping around, doctor doctor my wife is misbehaving, we can fix that, trends, take things out of you, they put things into you, give you drugs, connections, almost a farce, horrible dystopia, newborn child, my son my daughter, the guy from work, b17, I love you b17, love is not allowed anymore, Equilibrium (2002), gunfighting, standard type dystopia, a Hollywood movie, killing each other within days, German soap opera star, a horrible human made dystopia, god made things a long time ago, the horror in Machen is contrasted with the beauty of nature, the morning after, a gangbang/holocaust, transforming a girl into their world somehow?, last lines of the story, the pyramid of fire, Worms Of The Earth by Robert E. Howard, atavistic little people, fading and degrading, Picts against the Romans, John Buchan’s No Man’s Land, thinking about genre, seems like they have nothing in common, we three are used to it, neither of these stories is a boss is gonna fire me and my wife is cheating on me story, so weird, Redbook not Bluebook, strip out the science fictional stuff, 1899, they save the girl, the little people are more like troglodytes, figure out what fiction genres become, slotting things, Planet Stories, between planets, Wonder Stories, the future on Earth, gigantic contraptions, Frank R. Paul, giant wheels, the Foundation tv series, where do Lovecraft stories take place, the contemporary world, when things get weird they go underground, Antarctica, a place that’s not well explored, I wanna see the giant penguins, I wanna see the shoggoths, travel ad, if youre gonna see the weirdness you have to go underground, a lost city, science fiction tends to put it in outerspace or in the future, the horror that exists you have to do it in the darkness, where are these little people, has their been any gypsies, 1930s hobos, hobo signs, maybe a dwarf sailor?, rounding up all the prejudices, something about the Irish, you can’t trust the Spanish, little tiny Jews, not a mythological dwarf, screening before birth, famous actors, late 40s, people are aborting, gland surgery on people, he murdered his wife, it wasn’t your fault, it’s your parents’ fault, I’ll have you on my table, a horror world, put her in a locker, scripted conversation, jump down the pneumatic elevator, wife on the couch nuzzling, just like in Futurama, in the opening credits, how silly and humorous the story is, super-dystopic, human hubris, a Dictator of Emotion, worse than anything Hitler did, approved lists of names, they didn’t do numbers, good Aryan children with good latin name, Jesse Owens, Taylor Swift, those are terrible names, most popular names of 2024, Olivia, Noah, Liam, Oliver, Elisha, Irish names, old testament names, people naming their pets, super-hero characters, despair for humanity, a woman named Taylor, named after ancestor, picking amongst a list of ancestors, women named Maj-Britt, born around 1960s, a Swedish actress, the Kevin problem, completely unknown in Germany until the Home Alone movies, we got a problem with humans, Madison, the 2nd most popular name given to girls, the movie Splash (1984), the avenue of commercialism, a male president of the United States, look at the dates, when the movie came out, the girls grow up, I’d like to name our daughter Madison, it’s the Little Mermaid, programmed, popular culture, a super-popular name for dogs, Kahleesee, kids named Anakin, Belanna, Tonks from Harry Potter, a female wizard, it’s a dog, it’s fine, your physical human child, Snape or whatever, Luke is a biblical name, Leah, it’s about conformity and programming, not a new phenomenon, kids named Hamlet, Shirley, a man’s name, Charlotte Bronte, Marilyn, Catholics use saint names all the time, we know these people, they’re all around us, a nickname, Wendy didn’t exist before that book, nefarious, it is horrible, The Love Slave And The Scientist, not just the body being screwed around with, Arkady, Debris, pile of stuff that got broken, registry office says nope, a gnome from a children’s book, a couple of kids, names that were not possible, Forgive Me Father For I Have Sinned, Repent Or Burn In Hell, if you are really believing, the state to come and take your kids from you, some issues, culture, what are your groups, family names, an honorific, a connection to your past, Khaleesi, Adolph, certain mustaches, making a connection with your actual family, mandated, given, the price of freedom, we don’t want the state naming the kids, if their culture is Splash, walking to work, more chains, a lot fewer mom and pops, nail salons, skin salons, dental whitening salons, personality improvement salons, therapist, psychiatrist, the dog food places, selection of things to choose from, why are you naming your child this stupid name, something we just don’t value, all immigrants, their parents are immigrants, actual education outside of the school system, outside of regular programming, upwardly mobile immigrants, home school, they should, taking the reins, the state schools and private schools, a religious school of some kind, the Germans did invent school, homeschooling, plenty of issues, parents can’t handle it, mom’s at work and dad’s at work, lots of problems, make things better for everybody, the middle class child, helicopter parents, immigrant kids, poor kids, disabled kids, Leonie, Prussian royalty names, out of fashion for centuries, we live in a culture, a metaphor, acculturated?, purposeful, government entity, Brian Grazer, they didn’t do it for a nefarious purpose, some cultures say dancing is bad, music is bad, television is bad, programmed by other people, eventually they both got televisions, bad for children, per-approved, nowadays it is ticktock, moral panics, anti-Gaza exposure, top down, Facebook is already under control, what the top wants done to the bottom, nice Christian names, to program them, kill the Indian in the child, taking the kid from the parent and making the institution, the Hayes Code, the Comic Book Code Authority, pressure from above, the cultural product makers, this is how people are, really broken stuff, a title, she’s a monster, she herself has been programmed, subject your poor kids, going back to Futurama, they put an armband on his wrist, also to program him, everybody’s got to do what they gotta do, reasons to be sent to a lunatic asylum, refusing to join the military, Salvation Army, tobacco and masturbation, laziness, snuff eating, novel reading, Charlotte Perkin Gilman’s The Yellow Wallpaper, needs some books to read, going out into nature, notice things, somebody had picked up of the sidewalk, still there, fell off of somebody’s wrist, a shoe, an elderly woman, pick it up and put it in a prominent place, some disney character on it, electrical boxes, graffiti, not for me, who are they shouting it out to?, you notice an arrangement of arrowheads, an eye that no regular Englishmen, a lot of assumptions, government use of the same symbol, your everyday life is happening, somebody missing on a hike, peice it all together, Achilles and the Tortoise, insoluble, the eyes are counting down, a certain height, Sherlock Holmes of seeing beyond the veil, the cousin who wanted the title, notice things that are real and concrete strange occurrences, something that seems supernatural, we can pretend, being upset, naked making a pyramid on top of something, a triangle, what makes it shining?, flint, a looking backwards in time, to an earlier age, the original inhabitants of Britain, before the angles and the saxons come in and genoice them, problems with reproduction, also in Lovecraft, the Deep Ones, The Shadow Over Innsmouth, they need our fecundity, the silliness of their marriages, The Tissue Culture King by Julian Huxley, 1926, 1927, the Hugo Gernsback science fiction magazine, a Wakanda if you will, a body cell, to do mind control, take bits of the actual king, worship it, give it what it needs, the original story tin-foil hat comes from, telepathy, huge in science fiction, maybe telepathy is a metaphor, it’s a lot more sinister, The Demolished Man, The Mule from Foundation, get angry, already ruining, might still pull off the twist, terrible tragic backstory, terrifying telepathy, comic characters, why is our oligarch so upset, where the police are telepaths, how do you get around the telepathy, being outside the system, being able to read people’s thoughts, there’s no good guys, the Psi-Corps are badguys and so is our oligarch, a Madison Avenue guy, a little jingle, Aldous Huxley, a super-dystopia, destroyed, isolated lighthouse, they jeer at him, he’s hung himself, the only escape from this horror, 1932, his brother, rivals for science fiction, we didn’t have the term then, a famous novel, an obscure short story, referencing real things going on, Rockerfeller, old rich family, Rockefeller Institute, Rockefeller University, to control, all behavior is regulated from top down, parents weren’t going to church, people are sponges, the people they interact with, who are they hanging out with online, the old means of control, programming them a lot better, social media bans, websites, the rest of us, children might be learning things, anti-Israel, Adolescents, never fully innocent, what is the central problem?, a marriage problem, men want to have sex, women want attention, substitute guy, very poetical, people falling in love with their ai, how to make a noose, gonna help you, it can’t love you, firefox, how about no?, make money from extraction, usually when we think about divorce, as a popular thing, in the 20th century, so much about, mechanically separated, you can’t live near your family anymore, you need two incomes, fashionable, an engineer for Airbus, new housing, other wives, all the wives got divorce, a social contagion, fertilized by the economics and the laws, not romantic anymore, focusing on the wrong things, romantic comedies are all about meet cutes, the falling in love, a firm commitment, it doesn’t have to be a sinister government plot, where it is coming from, Catholic guy, Humanae Vitae, a contrast, sex without consequences, as the only woman here, victimized by a pregnancy, birth control, anything beyond basic schooling, about to divorce, died of cancer, she had a kid, marital instability, a soup of different things going on, what is he trying to do with this story?, sell a story, sexy robot, Avon Fantasy Reader cover, sex-bot illustrated by Margaret Brundage, in the scene, a caption underneath, he’s a surgeon, the story is quite good, so interesting, it is not considered cheating, dallying too long with the script, push himself into the tube, his work is cutting people open and giving them glands, a gland surgeon, less adrenals, castrating people (mentally), chemical castration, sex criminals, SSRIs, paxil and zoloft, a big thing, might end up like the guy on my table, a big long speech, whispered to by the robot, he attacks the robot, completely fake, if you’re fucking sex bots, I will order my mechanical companion to be decommissioned and scrapped, poor sex-bot has to be scrapped, don’t listen to what the dictator of emotions tell you to do, World War 1987, 4 World Wars, stupid 20th century people, we read the book, The Guns Of August, some random guy in France, the head of the bank in Germany and the US were brothers, pinning chicken feathers, be as Amish as possible, not fall into it, Autism rates, over diagnosed, officially diagnosed, in the family for a long time, belied by the fact you had functional people, borderline functional, diagnosed quite young, by accident, a local politician, autism charity, more and more, I’m pretty sure I’m clinically depressed, how did it come to be?, lots of theories, google ngram, a sharp spike, gluten intolerance, gluten free, borderline people, diagnosed, wheat in the US is quite bad, contaminated, look at the trends, allergy to peanuts, deadly to a lot of people, an inciting incident, a history of medicalizing, a lunatic asylum, underlying problem, a chemical imbalance, no science behind that claim, extreme relief, on it for 25 years, numbs emotion, pointing at a very real place, ai chatbots, gland surgery, drugs, confined to asylums, drugs don’t really really get going until WWII, an evil horrible society, feels brief, nature is beautiful but there’s horror hidden there, the unknown, neolithic tombs, we don’t know what they were doing, Cornwall, the graves of giants, local legends, cursed him, turned to stone, the Devil’s Punchbowl, another of these weird hollows, there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy, the description of the light, how nice it is to live in the country, how nice to live in the city, the business in the dark, fairies, ecstatic experiences in nature, a regular divorce story, a drama, just another variation, about human perception, we can modify it, make people conform to it, isn’t that horrible, just beyond our preceptions, might we not find out a thing about reality, technology and humanity, nature and god, all German parents like hiking, prime of their life, dragged through the woods, I’m a knight, I’m going to save the kidnapped princess, in order to find the princess, a clue, a signpost, a marking on a tree, it’s a clue!, we can find the princess, where was the girl going?, her aunt’s house, she never showed up, Little Red Riding Hood, it isn’t a world, no-one ate the aunt, she never even saw her, waylaid along the path, vacant eyed, no way to rescue the princess, supernatural detective, a writer?, he’s Arthur Machen, from a wealthy family, 1890s, a lot of John Buchan stories, grew out of the gothic novel, mystery and crime fiction, horror fiction, Sherlock Holmes, C. August Dupin, this joke: I really hope it isn’t the case that Edgar Allan Poe’s stories of monomania, Berenice, The Tell-Tale Heart, recent diagnoses, autism stories, the drunk scale, took opium, depression, autism spectrum, self-medicate, you change your brain, psychiatric drugs, lethargic, an old age depression, the older the drug the better we know it, tobacco, unrelated to smoking, positive benefits to smoking, it stinks, American Spirit, spiked with chemicals, simple old fashioned tobacco, vapes, even marijuana has been fucked with, a B.C. Government Cannabis Store, government employees working at a government store, Scandinavian countries, wine at the supermarket, you can’t get beer at the 7-11, semi-legal, required to check my age, Hugo awards, mixed cocktail, bleep, look at me I’m obviously, the dictator of emotion has announced, chocolate with liquor in them, so panicky, when gin came into the UK, people still drink gin in the UK, fashionable, a technology that can change our body, the effect that it has, the mechanical changes that it has, The Black Cat is a satire of teetotalling, axe your wife in the forehead, it was pretty wild, suffrage, Enola Holmes (2020), teenage girls or younger, Guy Ritchie for 12 year old girls, womens right to vote, raise the daughter, running the country, just as smart, super handsome, Henry Cavill, very very handsome, lightly touched on, not historically close to what’s going on, a Disney Princess movie, equally smart sister, a prince that falls in love with her, in about 15 years your going to get a lot of little girls called Enola, sex jokes, 1980s, The Goonies (1985), when you were pregnant with your first daughter, Second Foundation, Kayla, American soap opera, Days Of Our Lives, the greatest names, little bit bottom up, new school, into different things, hockey cards, GI Joes, wearing the wrong shoes, reeboks and nikes, whatever my mom bought me, understand what’s going on there, you can’t be juiced into needing to be going to McDonald’s, interested in 1986 Toyota, doesn’t have the same effect 20-30-40 years later, why are all the boomers doing reverse mortgages to go live on cruise ships now?, pushed on younger people, pools, waterslides, it’s disneyland for boomers, tropical islands, enclosed holiday camps, built for an airship, semi-tropical pools, the vacation ideal, evening wardrobe, don’t forget the casino, you can wear your jammies, you can have as much food as you want, spend it now!, swarm the same few port cities, a few souvenirs, just cause trouble, secret cabal, cruise ship companies trying to make money, airtravel, passenger travel, shipping companies, passenger liners converted to cruise ships, containerization, nearly killed the shipping industry, in a ridiculous way, wealthy older people, dialysis machines, The Love Boat, Das Traumschiff, page 9, disintegrated her, busy with his surgical dressing, a semblance of normality, just top down, your parental supervisors, men often killed their wives, hideous bloodletting contests, exalting the primitive, selective mating, we’re blind, war was awful but love…, was worse?, doing brain surgery on the guy, normally thought of as for girls, to keep up his courage, high-minded and impartial and serene, bound and helpless, a cool impersonal cog, corporate state, curse them!, with the glands removed, anti-social action, a pale blue antiseptic, your digestion will be checked, super-horror, a Spaniard who killed a family for just a few possessions, covered in blood a few days later, murder, rando kills for money, which world with you rather live in?, stinky smokestacks in London, super-dystopia land, thank you so much, maybe we’ll meet again, text message, see you on Twitter, a silly article, Why We Don’t Read The Golden Age Anymore, Rendezvous With Rama, 1973, aluminum, a sterile and not good book, New Wave science fiction, his golden age, a kick out of it, completely eviscerate, older science fiction, missing out, Alien Earth, Murderbot, exemplifies the whole thing, Zuckerberg, any sufficiently advanced technology, then he says Asimov instead of Clarke, pretending to be smart, no excuse for this sort of thing today, you wouldn’t look it up because you know it, just look it up again, it’s Clarke, when he’s writing the script, written by committee, writers rooms, expecting the actor to know it, they’re all written by the one guy and sometimes with someone else, Noah Hawley, Fargo, Legion, Bones, X-Men comics, locked in an asylum, yes, not really an SF guy, interested enough to misquote it, it adds something, an overlay of Peter Pan, trying to recreate Neverland, robot bodies, less interesting than something to do, push this idea into the Alien universe, for no apparent reason, the smartest boy in the world who doesn’t wear socks, Beast, sits at a microphone and reads from the book, make sure the audience knows, why is he recording this?, is it for a podcast?, making audiobooks, no role in the story, eaten by an alien, the writing is not great, over Alien, linked it to Predator (1987), no wonder she was depressed, mental issues towards the end, not herself anymore, hip replacement, stuck in the hospital during COVID, intermediate care drugged her up, too many painkillers, high on aspirin, ibuprofen, paracetamol, lethargic, drugged them up and wanted lots of money, happy note to end on, the medical profession, old old Microsoft installation, they’re deadnaming you, dinner.

The Love Slave And The Scientists by Frank Belknap Long

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