The SFFaudio Podcast #852 – The Hate Disease by Murray Leinster (2 hours 1 minute) read by Gregg Margarite and The Rat Racket by David H. Keller (35 minutes) read by Robert Griffin. These are followed by a discussion of both. Participants in the discussion include Jesse, Will Emmons and Terence Blake.

Talked about on today’s show:
Terry’s back!, The Hate Disease by Murray Leinster and The Rat Racket by David H. Keller, longer than it needs to be, judge the two stories, science fiction, crappy science fiction, neither was terrible, as you should, a paradox, looks like what Terry considers to be the formula for science fiction, take an idea and literalize it, physicalize it, resymbolize at the end to draw a moral, The Pied Piper Of Hamelin, a mob or racketing technique, psychological phenomena, Gaia striking back, very similar, one comes across as a science fiction story, in Weird Tales, weird fiction, Keller is more of a science fiction guy, Amazing Stories, 1931, the fantasy domain, the very last sentence, all he wanted to do was get rid of the rats, he’s a cat!, whenever I talk about it my voice becomes squeaky, the science fiction mode, the setting, contemporary setting, menace to society, non-Anglo Saxon force, urban science fantasy, genius for hitting at vital spots, in the context of Scott Miller’s recording, racketeering, if you look at it closely, doesn’t seem to, The Minions Of Midas by Jack London, bought the premise from Sinclair Lewis, perhaps they’re all the same premise, outside threatening force threatens capitalists, letters slipped to a local billionaire, those who are sending the messages, kill some unrelated person, find some blacksmith, until he pays the money, we never meet The Minions Of Midas, this is necessary in this period of time, a certain amount of capital, require $20 million dollars, redistribute the wealth, resolves itself, he’s tackling essentially the same problem, racketeering was a real thing, the technology is cities and telegrams and being anonymous, email is incredibly anonymous, never not monitored, free email accounts, a cybercafe, a burner yahoo email, telegrams vs. emails, Jack London’s point is much more amazing, what if that Pied Piper story was real, takes a long time in their setup, we like Murgatroyd and coffee, the mystery that’s going on, a little boring, it doesn’t need to be that long, the setup at the end is pretty stupid, the comeuppance, James Bond, A View To A Kill, the son of genetic engineering, blow up silicon valley, microchip company’s profits, falls out of the sky, the Med Ship story, a problem of the week story, symbolically it’s very interesting, the doctor running the planet, the chief minister of the planet, Dr Lett, a bloodletting, just let it happen, he deserves a presidential pardon, the solution, getting some woodsmoke in their lungs, sounds stupid, maybe this is a lot smarter, the ecosystem setup, no reliable native life forms, humans expanding forever, Malthusianism, we can expand forever into infinite galaxies, rats have been known to do that, Malthus, rats and rabbits multiplying past endurance, other molecules, don’t feel ripped off, not a make work project, the Amish, they’re farmy, cheap farmland, a story about Mennonites, met Mennonites, a bigger diaspora of them, all about vertical integration, repairable by themselves, they can fix carts, a religious prohibition, don’t buy phones from Apple, an interesting sentence, Hutterite children, protected from asthma, an associated citation, more in contact with farm animals as a child, associated theories, being too sterile, handwashing using alcohol with perfume, hand sanitizer, more likely to get warts, other problems, dry skin, a similar contention with lip balm, lip balm scientists, balm is medicine for skin, how The Hate Disease solved the mystery it setup up, a powerful idea for the time, checks and balances on the molecular level, they’re in Overdrive, an alien pet, drinking coffee, outlandish space opera drinking tea (in modern science fiction), same symbolic register, cozy and homey, into electricity so much, a gas fireplace, some apartments do not come with fake fireplace and an actual fire, heat register, underfloor heating, cold in the winter, fire is the solution, rural Kentucky, a country merchant, if you were a farmer, hang out around the pot-bellied stove, decorum, have to be a gentleman, farm animals and fire, American science fiction, a parochial literature, born and died in Virginia, went for a drive, last summer, be near farm animals, a petting zoo, not intensely popular, recreation for young people, a “carnival”, a rollercoaster, thrill rides, you really do want to pet a donkey, confined to cats and dogs and maybe a parakeet, you wanna hang out around cattle, and sheep, donkeys are cool, kept donkeys, spending time with the donkeys, different personalities and capabilities and interests, playing some game on his laptop, can I go feed the chickens?, something that people want to do, more and more disconnected by technological improvements, a deprivation, concentration of capital, the park vs. the woods, they’re bears in their, chaotic neutral bears, brown bears, grizzly bears, Central Park in New York, managed wildlife, swimming to an island, you’ve had the experience of getting a leech on your leg, water and air, everything else is imported, they forget to import the really important things, safteyism, hygienic, technological, Tallien, talion, Gaia, the planet fights back, a character from history, Jean Talion, the Reign of Terror, don’t communicate with the other, waiting for Dr. Fauci, some special med guy, a special injection, ground up worms, the toxin, a good mediation, The Strain, good aspects, this is Dracula, other vampires, derivative, The Walking Dead, the fear of infection, misleading as a title, they hate normal people, because they’re not like them, for eating worms, once you adopt a certain code of behavior for yourself, if you become vegan, the spreading of it, Terry was one for a while, a vegetarian, many years, more than 7 years, don’t violently attack you, carnivores, something so contemptible within yourself, being the only one, an evil act, you’re in the Israeli army, you gotta make him do it too, otherwise, go back to normal functioning, you can’t live with yourself, one variant, Wilhelm Reich, crazy follower of Freud, spread like a plague, jumped the shark, freudo-marxist, bodyarmour, emotional plague, quite useful, funny, the thing that’s so bad, people eat weird gross, fermented shark, durian, we eat with out brain, our taste is reworked by our brain, nobody likes coffee on their first sip, thinking of Will as the little monkey guy, more subject to cute, Will is much cuter, subject to cute, interacting with a cat, you build up a tolerance to their cuteness, a smellaphoto, coffee beans soaked in urine, contemporary reference, modelling Will, parts of Jesse in parts of Will, medical doctor on a spaceship with his space monkey, aping the behaviors, that’s fun, a Margaret St. Clair story, Meem, the two transmissions, a false story about what’s happening, some clues, the chase sequence, fine, grid operator, becoming, considering killing himself, Murray Leinster in the role, Murgatroyd saves the day, playing with the gun, the wooden floorboards of the spaceship, breaks up a wooden chair, the health systems, they’re both cured, Jonathan Swift’s Gulliver’s Travels, pisses on the palace, burns their city down to save the people, thank me later, casualties of this fire, for the good, a trolley problem ignored, presumably the houses have safety systems, ruined record collections, space insurance for their space houses burning down, an old fashioned science fiction story, 1963, in Analog, pretty good, what do we think about Doctor Keller?, mixed reviews, its idea is small and the story is big, show the problem growing, the solution is not satisfactory, thoughroughly impressed by The Hate Disease, be dirty to be healthy, this other direction, male vs. female, there’s no girls in The Hate Disease, the opposite of feminist, so called typical male qualities, the little boy falls down, the dad says walk it off, the mom says oh dearie, I hate girls!, kisses it better, you rest up now, autobiography, when a bitch gives birth, licks the puppies clean, make the puppies poo and pee, not sort of normal dinner table conversation, facts, covered in filth, as a mother, the same is true of your grandma, what Jesse’s doing at your grandma’s house, attentive to dirt on skin, the cleanliness and making things sterile is a good instinct, the rub some dirt on it, it can go too far, the meeting of the two genders, they were effeminate, like Jurassic Park, nature found a way, an effeminate man, a little bit of a reach, maps to Jesse brain, females don’t exist in the future or the 1930s, The Last Woman by Thomas S. Gardner, mankind has evolved beyond the need for women, 1932, growing people in a factory, they accidentally make a woman, the reverse of this, very silly, the execution is very silly, from Wonder Stories, a silly time in science fiction, the Campbell Era, Kuttner and Del Rey, The Cranberries song, blessed by not being cursed by music, a good feel of The Cranberries, contemporary-ish, how those Irish go, a nice fruit, more Murray Leinster, The Mad Planet, The Last Spaceship, just read the first part, The Disciplinary Circuit, his best girl, earlier, lots of Leinsters, he had a long career, newspaperman, Will F. Jenkins, Snappy Stories, Breezy Stories, Argosy, romance under a woman’s name, a writing machine, 1896-1975, First Contact, Exploration Team, best novelette, Ben Tucker, a very good narrator, a fixup, The Med Service, 19.5 hours, a whole sequence of stories, Sand Dune, relatively short, not too long, Harry Harrison, Deathworld, a fun premise, an American in the UK, our old friend, 1957-2012, Phil Chenevert still alive living in Florida, a professional gambler with psionic skills, heavy gravity, a hostile splinter group, a planetary story, not a comedy, pretty twisted, Bill The Galactic Hero, Planet Of The Damned, Dis was harsh, they might have been human once, kill! kill everything!, Brion Brandd, a bewildered hero, The Repairman, The Stainless Steel Rat, Jesse doubles, Men Into Space, the premise, a bear and an eagle, a spitting cobra, sphex, Sitka Pete, Sourdough Charlie, they’re all bears, trained giant eagle, that’s enough, back to the Harries, Arm Of The Law, a new police recruit in a box, a prototype robot cop, The K-Factor, has man really changed?, peace, but at what cost?, a joke story, The Velvet Glove, Fantastic Universe, the robot equality act, an allusion, the iron fist in the velvet glove, good dead dude, same crew as today, what’s doing in Terence’s course, rethinking everything, Deluzze and Lacan: Lack, Punch, Diamond Punch, Excess, rethink thinks, aimpunch, i computer games, playing with guns, a kickback, a recoilless rifle has less recoil, the mechanics of your body, a shoulder stock, a kickup, your aim gets worse, a logical operator, a lozenge, <>, a v lying down, the or sign in logic, and over the or, is greater than, is smaller than, diversion thinking to solve a problem, converge again on the other side, how to compare two authors, diamond punching each other, something to progress in thought, so fucking better, a different idea, the patrician is the all-powerful protector of society, society creates its own gravedigger, the guys being blackmailed kill themselves, Goliah, directed disintegration, those responsible, in a tower shooting Mark Cuban, you are such a great man with your billions, that will really hurt you, Luigi Mangione is the exception, Jack London’s last novel, The Assassination Bureau Limited, Sinclair Lewis ideas, living narrator friends, generally public domain, shitty online learning classes, a movie adaptation from 1969, Scott Miller, Winged Blackmail, uses pigeons, a very interesting magazine called The Lever, an early car magazine, are cars going to go away, in favour to airplanes?, a famous motorist, early popular cars were steam cars, a lever for acceleration, we salute you, it’s snowing here, no snow tires, need the cream, coffee with cream is better, so manly, in the female, Hungarian history, so virile, hairy chest, big throbbing penis, look out! he’s on the warpath!, seemingly health, 2nd place, just how awesome Jesse is, a very interesting phenomenon, almost tantric, playing with a rando, “hot drop”, getting kills is the way you get killed, “third partied”, sound is very important in the game, kitted up for the final endgame, wait, wait, wait, 1917, come in at the end and win, Norman Finkelstein at Waterloo, a boring speaker, Ed Broadbent, a very boring man, very powerful, very clear, cesspits of reactionary Zionism, holocaust being weaponized to commit atrocities in Palestine, the girl who was crying was German, nazis still like the nazis, Germany’s third genocide, Ukraine, radical takes on science fiction, singularly focused, he’s turned himself into a weapon, breeding beagles, not interested in the taste of food, Mao probably enjoyed some food, revolutionary peoples like spicy food, testing themselves against the elements, wind bathing, very boyish, the Long March, teenagers, a weird thing to think about, an army of teenagers across China, The West Wing is the founding myth of 50% of the electorate, a fantasy, he’s got weird attitudes, great understanding of American history, super-fantasy, people who vote, spoke to a specific generation cohort, up to young boomers, right in the pointing, not right in the details, the most interesting propaganda show, Landman, Taylor Sheridan, he was in Veronica Mars, actor to producer show writer, this one is for the oil companies, why oils is reality, why wind is not gonna work, it’s all true, but there’s no counterarguments, kinda refreshing, competently delivered, a Paramount show, oil extraction, Billy Bob Thornton, 24 was a huge show, the last gasp of regular broadcast television, Lost has no purpose, in sympatico with the Bush torture program, weapons of mass destruction, the plot every year, Keifer Sutherland was torturing people, they all were bad, he ends up being right, invading countries, directed inner, a domestic terror operative, a large effect on people, even the music was soothing, we can imagine this was what it was actually like, Bernie and Warren were really good people, President Bartlett, if you look at it objectively, the party system, when the whigs got replaced, no traction, MAGA Republicanism, Gavin Newsom, East Palestine, an unrecoverable position, they do cheat, a bipartisan president, it was a Democrat show, best friends with people who hate them, they got to Epstein island together, their kids are best friends with each other, a team against you, Will Rogers, It’s a big club and you’re not in it, George Carlin, just telling facts, they use that club to beat you, Elon Musk, what’s Jesse’s favourite country?, El Salvador, prison labour program, percentage of population in El Salvador in prison, 1659, a little less than 2%, comparable, zero crime now, is there zero crime in El Salvador (rounding down), a pretty famous crime, is El Salvador safer than Canada now?, economy is still stuck, among the world’s most popular reader, just give the prisoners bitcoin, commissary work, scrip, rumblings about Egypt getting grumpy, billions for the Suez, Mexico and Nicaragua taking about their own canals, pony up some big cash, empty houses, they are very interested in capitol improvement, China’s version of Blackrock would be state owned, control their economy, trashing Canada in the dms, an afterthought, living in my province as I do, cut it up, those are just jokes and positions for pushing people around, people would be grumpy, ICBC, just for cars, could be expanded to home insurance, the profit that it makes is funneled back into the province, crown corporations, periodical reforms, scandals that happen, almost like a working democratic system, the Maritimes, the interprovincial trade thing, Seattle is much closer than Calgary, Detroit and Windsor, cities that aren’t are very tiny, Edmonton, Alberta map, seems so cold, the mountains on the edge of town, how are you people living this way?, all these Koreans, and Chinese, Indians, Canadian national identity (a series of mistakes agreed upon), Bloc Quebecois, they’re not thinking about Quebec at all, a new racism, Puerto Ricans, doing their own thing, a little piece of Europe that has nothing to do with American interest, Mexico City feels like a European city, how old is Mexico City?, 1325, 1521, a very old city, Tijuana, Kentucky was founded in 1792, Louisville, Lexington, Cincinnati, in the shadows of the cities, raise cattle, some car manufacturing, shrinking economies, you’re gonna move, the metro Vancouver area, a river valley, Richmond, North Vancouver, West Vancouver, 4am commute, an hour’s drive, Burnaby, a Dutch family, Coqutilam, Port Moody, Maple Ridge, Pitt Meadows, William Pitt prime minsters, really rural areas, Harrison Hotsprings, Surrey, all the streets are grid oriented, bad luck, a Sikh population, Abbotsford, the Waverly author’s home, Point Roberts, a city called Hope, the first Rambo movie, technically in the pre-Nazi youth, the cub scouts version of the Nazi youth, we had political disagreements, his mom and his dad, an adopted much older brother, maybe a lack of virility, the wild guy, learned to stop drinking, 7th Victim by Robert Sheckley, a whole series of novels, got big in Italy, a big deal in Europe, people appreciated him, even in Russia, a big star over there, Tenth Victim, Victim World, Victim Prime, tempted into reading that, things happening, add more characters, they kill each other, a standalone would be good, The Journey Of Joenes, we did well, we’re doing it, how many uncles did you have, paternal married, unmarried, invested in ostriches, craze in the 1990s, giant eggs!, they have dark meat, who wants to eat it?, why don’t they just eat cows, chicken or beef, there are other options, not a lot of elephant, ethical concerns, people eat dogs, best use of dogs, reproduce with tastier meat, stored calories, for knitting sweaters, Cowichan sweaters, made of real dog, they get fluffy in the winter, something to knit with, fabric arts, huge among woman, a sword collection, swords are cool, not that practical, ideal for slashing, no slashing today, do LEGO, girl dens are not called dens, fabric arts, girls like to do it, Will feels Jesse is drunk on his own lack of profundity, a double whammy, refine the idea, what is really going on, why do girls like tapestry making, or dressmaking, preferably something with a guy getting his head cut off, a piece of fabric that she made, your rented bungalow castle, half duplex, what is a bungalow, a house with a deck, gables, surrounded by wide veranda, never been to Asia, to Japan, came back with some youths, still hard at work, studied in India, Malawi, the harshest place, corpses in the street, hardcore, too intense a country, Finland is probably the opposite of India, rotted fish for dinner, mild on twitter, a worldcon in Finland, Paul loves travelling to those things, 2026 L.A., share a room, a posse that you’re with, Steen and Scott, the Bradbury Building, modern art museum [the Guggenheim], go to the dealer’s room, vernacular architecture, shotgun house, why is Bagshot Row called Bagshot Row?, the other hobbits who were also robbers, bagshot ones came back with empty bags, unless you’re bird hunting, buckshot is deer shot right?, it’s not doeshot, by having them not be alive, female if preferred for meat, get the antlers, the complete set, hang it up, waste material, horn decoration, not valuable, deer bones, treat it like a trophy, a huge rack, a bragging thing, get fish mounted, stupid in their mancave, almost always dudes, a girl will go fishing, a mom will be doing fabric arts, raising a farm, always wanted to have animals, animals all the time, 400 animals, dogs and cats and fish and birds, suspicious of these birds, so many fucking birds, noisy, they tend to be the personality of a 3 year old, jealous, shy or stressed, chewin on the walls, messy, parrots eat food like the floor is the jungle that needs to be seeded, too inefficient, not the animal for you, snakes are chill, give em food once a month, go back to dormancy, literally are cool, reptiles not having emotions, crocodile relationship, not good at expressing their emotions, axolotl salamander, permasmile, cat doors, a small dog, a donkey, find one to adopt, foster an adult dog, trained out of the hard part, surrogate babies, how that’s not good, furbabies, a child that never grows up, motherly all day long, a very funny animal, an Australian cattle dog, meg is ready, she’s ovulating for a dog, not ovulating for a donkey, ride a donkey, you shouldn’t, donkeys don’t like to be ridden, gets really excited, the traditional donkey noises, like camels, pissed off and mad, joyful, relatable, interesting animals, feeding them, grass and hay and veggies, hey is pretty cheap, a series of sheds, the cow palace, you probably get a truck, not hauling donkeys, much bigger than dogs, much smaller than horses, they’re mostly tall and leggy, just pure muscle, a giant grapefruit, ripped with muscle, powerful ears, that’s how muscular they are, no tannery on the Island, all that good material goes to waste, fairly thick with snow, enough, Nissan, pretty good snowfall, worse or better, snowed in, deliver newspapers at 5am, painful, no broken skulls, not a job anymore, adults do it, delivered newspapers as boys in the 1950s and 1960s, pizza delivery guy, Snowcrash, the hero protagonist of this story, a concession stand, Snack Shack (2024), comedies of the 1990s?, a troubled privileged kid, Pineapple Express (2008), Superbad (2007), no sex at all, set in 1991, Bob’s Burgers, Archer, a parody of Eastern Promises (2007), where Aragorn is a Russian guy, A Netflix version of Minions Of Midas, so lovin Jack London, smart, right politics, classifying his stories, hobo stories, he knows about that, Hobo And The Fairy, The Iron Heel, interesting in theory and boring in practice, Bryan Alexander, a whole bunch of lectures, a revolutionary talking to a bunch of dentists or bourgeois, rich people who have dinner parties, a mechanic who gets paid better and more respect, a fucking horrible job, you’re in people’s mouths all day, Jenny and Bryan Alexander, dangerous being on this show, if you listen to Jesse you get to survive, a new anthology, very supportive of her on BlueSky, Year’s Best Eco Fiction, very Marissa energy, Coastal New Weird, The Shadow Over Innsmouth, Star Trek Minus Context, that’s Bob of Bob’s Burgers, all the other actors on Archer, what the actor look like, Jessica Walter, Arrested Development, comedian character actors, Aisha Taylor, books to consider, a bibliography, stories I read when writing this story, mashup, Caesar’s Children, Plurotopia, Mizora: A Prophecy by Mary E. Bradley Lane, Ignatius Donnelly, Erewhon by Samuel Butler, we wait, people get excited on a big project and don’t finish it, pee and coffee, Bath & Body Works, soap and candles, take care.

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